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Posted by | [535+] New Breeding Item: Strange Yam |
π³οΈπ Charlie - RGR! π³οΈπ (#379209) Asshole View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-07 09:23:34 |
ββΊ Strange Yam βΊβ [Your lioness] takes a cautious nibble, before enthusiastically digging in. She licks her lips gratefully, rolling to her side. It seems like something interesting has happened... Use this on your lioness to guarantee a set of two identical twin cubs. β‘ . έβ βΉ . έΛ . έ . έβ βΉ . έΛ . έ β‘ . έβ βΉ . έΛ . έ . έβ βΉ . έΛ . έβ‘ β₯ Mechanics It might be easiest if the identical twin overwrites another cub in the breeding to avoid extra-large litters. However, this risks overwriting a mutated cub. Maybe the Strange Yam should roll after all other breeding items? β₯ Connection to In-Game Features β Grain of Paradise Similarities Some might say this is a reskinned GOP, but I'd argue it adds a fun roulette of "wow, what will I get?" when breeding lions together, especially for rosettes (and if not too OP, mutations!) If an event item, the price for Strange Yams should match or be slightly higher than the GOP item cost because it also guarantees two cubs. β Mutation Breeding This item has a few options for mutation breeding according to how the admins see fit. If it's deemed too OP to be able to "twin" a mutated cub, I like the idea of one having the mutation and the other being identical ASIDE from the mutation. I think this is also very aligned with reality as real-life identical twins can have differing mutations. Like, maybe it doesn't affect mutation rolls whatsoever - theoretically, every cub could roll muts regardless of its "twin" having or not having a mutation. I think this is the best path forward. β Crunchy Worm Usage Using a Strange Yam with a Crunchy Worm could result in two cubs being clones of the lioness, like two full RLCs. Proper RNG settings allowing this chance could make this a strong selling point. If that's too complex, breeding for favorite markings would still be appealing. Admins might prefer it to be a Crunchy OR Strange Yam scenario, but Iβm okay with that. β Rosette Passing If the lion(ess) has many rosettes, this item could be greatβif one twin inherits rosettes, you would get a 2-for-1 rosette offspring deal. β₯ Inspiration: "Yams are a rich source of progesterone and phytoestrogens, which may lead to hyper-ovulation. Therefore, the high amount of yams in human diets was reported as a probable cause of twin or multiple births." The above is underresearched and often seen as a wives' tale, but I think itβs a fun and simple way to add breeding items without causing major balance issues and remaining in the realm of reality! β₯ Creator's Notes My concept might be silly, but I think it could be fun and exciting. Let me know what you think, and feel free to share any disagreements - I love finding workarounds and solutions! |
π‘Pinenut - G2 Pearl RLC (#191227) Luscious View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 07:47:17 |
Ooo thatβs a good idea! Crunchy and yam canβt be used together would make a lot of sense, I like this! 1 player likes this post! Like? |
π³οΈπ Charlie - RGR! π³οΈπ (#379209) Asshole View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 07:49:24 |
I like both of your thinking processes Pine and Mercy! I noted that in the original post (after editing) that admins may feel that way. Totally up to them. But either way, FUN ASF to think about... god all the possibility 0 players like this post! Like? |
[ heartbroken ] [ G3 ] (#209190) Graceful View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 08:42:19 |
This is a super neat concept! My two cents is that the Strange Yam shouldn't impact mutation; partly because mutation isn't considered an appearance trait in most other aspects of the game (retirement, crunchies don't clone mutation afaik), partly because what if someone used a lion scrote and got a mut from that that then got overwritten, and partly because LD's mutie market is already not great and I don't think it'd be beneficial for it to be even more oversaturated with the addition of Yam-cloned muties. Ambivalent about crunchies & Yams being used on the same litter but leaning towards them being unable to be used together (the Yam-cloned cub might overwrite a crunchy-cloned cub, RLC market could get oversaturated but I don't really know enough about it to say whether that's a potential issue). Support- I think this could be a super fun item to have ingame 2 players like this post! Like? |
π»βοΈManonβοΈ π» (#402055) Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 08:49:52 |
I understand RLC's are made to be rare, and expensive, but they are inaccessible to the vast majority of players. I'm thinking that if you were to use Crunchy and yam together, Crunchy rolls first, then yam. If you manage to get 2 clones, maybe a day is taken away from your (mom) RL/RLC's life span? Not sure.. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
π³οΈπ Charlie - RGR! π³οΈπ (#379209) Asshole View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 08:51:17 |
Heartbroken - a mixed bag of opinion here in the thread of these topics! I never considered that it isn't a appearance trait! Very true. That does sway my opinion towards no mut. Overall I think my stance is "doesn't twin mut lions, but crunchies can be used" and I detail why below. Just my thoughts. I think it reflects reality better if it does not clone a mut but rather all of the appearance options. Because irl, you can have identical twins, and one can have a mutation while the other is completely healthy. I also think crunchy + yam requires nuance, i.e. If crunchy & yam are used, maybe we have twin cub always be ADDITIONAL to the breeding, so if you naturally breed 3 cubs, the litter has 4 cubs instead. Alternatively, it could be the risk you take when you use the item. So weighing pros v. cons on use. I think because there is no guarantee crunchy works, and even if it does, no guarantee that is the cub that is twinned, there MAY be no reason to worry about RLC saturation. But with changes coming to the RLC market with markings being released on NCLs, and RL studs being used, maybe this is a good concern to have. It's a fascinating thing to think about. BUT! That's just my 2 cents, and I think ultimately those who know the game best, admins, will do what is fair & fun if they end up employing this idea. So! Either way, I'm happy. Because the whole point of new ideas is to make Lioden more fun! Thank you for your comments and support! Hopefully, I make sense here, fighting a headache lol 1 player likes this post! Like? |
βοΈm3rcymassacr3β οΈ (#162708) Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 08:52:54 |
Unfortunately RLCs have to be mostly inaccessible or they wouldn't be as special and sought out as they are. If they became accessible to even 10% of LD players, what would be the point in spending hundreds of GB to clone the original RL? Yohimbe Barks alone cost almost 300 GB to cover a full cooldown. There needs to be some serious incentive when it comes to cloning. And if there was a chance of it overriding a crunchy clone, then no one would use it. It wouldn't be worth the risk. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
π³οΈπ Charlie - RGR! π³οΈπ (#379209) Asshole View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 08:55:22 |
Manon, I like the concept in theory, but I think would be challenging to make "taking a day off" work. Maybe a risk or a negative is important when considering benefits. But this is a good point: do users risk anything when using it WITH other items? Perhaps the risk is that it may very well override a mutated cub, see my last comment for my thoughts on that. Risk v. reward items are always super interesting to me, and it depends on players individually to weigh that risk v. reward Because of the rarity of RLs, I understand why they seek to preserve the market. But I do think that if this item is priced correctly, this may not be an issue! If the item is also released for an event with other compelling items (ie. other breeding items that are desirable) that could also limit the amount of saturation in the market as people wouldn't be using as many. But that's just a idea! 0 players like this post! Like? |
π³οΈπ Charlie - RGR! π³οΈπ (#379209) Asshole View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 08:57:32 |
I like your thoughts on this too Mercy, I have currently zero interest in RLs, so only a basic understanding here. I do think that the current RL changes are intended to make RLs more accessible, or at least some of their markings more accessible. So I'm curious to see if that affects the market and if it does, if that makes this item + crunchy MORE or LESS desired. Very cool discussion happening, thank you everyone for being so interesting LOL 0 players like this post! Like? |
π³ Bluebell [G2 demiurge] π³ (#426231) Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 09:02:47 |
Here are some more things to consider: stats and gender Would the cubs be the same gender if they were born? Would their stats be the same? What about items such as kob horn, which only increases male stats? Would the strange yam only gurantee two cubs, or would it be like a gop where you could have three or four, but only two are twins? Or triplets, etc? Sorry if some of this has already been adressed 1 player likes this post! Like? |
π‘Pinenut - G2 Pearl RLC (#191227) Luscious View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 09:03:45 |
π»βοΈManonβοΈ π» (#402055) Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 09:05:37 |
π³οΈπ Charlie - RGR! π³οΈπ (#379209) Asshole View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 09:11:39 |
Thank you for the food for thought Sundrown! The Strange Yam creates identical twins. Now, the below can be the same if that is easier for coding, or different, etc. WHATEVER is easiest, I don't want to make coders' lives any more difficult. Would the cubs be the same gender if they were born? Yes, identical twins are same gender to my understanding Would their stats be the same? No, because personality/intelligence/speed etc. can differ between identical twins due to many different things What about items such as kob horn, which only increases male stats? Where did you see that it increases only male offspring stats? to my knowledge, it is eaten by the father and increases the agility stat of offspring. Would the strange yam only guarantee two cubs, or would it be like a gop where you could have three or four, but only two are twins? Or triplets, etc? It guarantees at least two cubs with maximum two identical twins. So if a lioness has 3 natural cubs without Yam, the litter would have 4 cubs altogether, with the 4th cub being a twin of one of the other 3. There would never be triplets or quadruplets. But there could be 1 set of twins and other cubs. Hope this makes sense, let me know if you need more clarity. 0 players like this post! Like? |
πβ leon (#208511)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 09:13:58 |
It's been my experience that RLCs have actually kind of gone down the drain in terms of value--I've watched very cheap clones not sell for actual months. The brand-spanking-new ones can still go for a lot, but if they become a little more common, the actual price people are willing to pay isn't too much. Not like it was a few years ago. RLCs have become extremely common and popular to have, or at least had been before selling became so tough. At this point, I'm not too worried about the market because it's already so tough, and the chances of a crunchy working and the yam choosing to clone the actual RLC and not a potato sibling aren't guaranteed. That's just what I've seen and what I think, though. True identical twins are almost always the same sex, so I think that would be an addition up their alley. I don't know enough about stats to talk about all that, though! 3 players like this post! Like? |
π³ Bluebell [G2 demiurge] π³ (#426231) Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 09:14:52 |
Yup! And as for the kob horn, I was thinking of shamtic stew accidentally! Also, I would just like to be clear that I ove the idea of this and think its a fun item, I would just want to iron out the details. Also, you cannot use the roasted yam with gops or buffies, correct? 1 player likes this post! Like? |
π»βοΈManonβοΈ π» (#402055) Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-09-08 09:16:05 |
@Sundrown, I would assume you can. Max 4 cubs a litter still + the yam code. (exception of DU obvi) 0 players like this post! Like? |