Posted by [535+] New Breeding Item: Strange Yam

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2024-09-07 09:23:34



⋆⺠Strange Yam âºâ‹†
[Your lioness] takes a cautious nibble, before enthusiastically digging in. She licks her lips gratefully, rolling to her side. It seems like something interesting has happened...
Use this on your lioness to guarantee a set of two identical twin cubs.

⟡ . Ýâ‚Š ⊹ . ÝË– . Ý . Ýâ‚Š ⊹ . ÝË– . Ý âŸ¡ . Ýâ‚Š ⊹ . ÝË– . Ý . Ýâ‚Š ⊹ . ÝË– . Ý⟡


⥠Mechanics
It might be easiest if the identical twin overwrites another cub in the breeding to avoid extra-large litters. However, this risks overwriting a mutated cub. Maybe the Strange Yam should roll after all other breeding items?


⥠Connection to In-Game Features
→ Grain of Paradise Similarities
Some might say this is a reskinned GOP, but I'd argue it adds a fun roulette of "wow, what will I get?" when breeding lions together, especially for rosettes (and if not too OP, mutations!)

If an event item, the price for Strange Yams should match or be slightly higher than the GOP item cost because it also guarantees two cubs.

→ Mutation Breeding
This item has a few options for mutation breeding according to how the admins see fit.

If it's deemed too OP to be able to "twin" a mutated cub, I like the idea of one having the mutation and the other being identical ASIDE from the mutation. I think this is also very aligned with reality as real-life identical twins can have differing mutations.

Like, maybe it doesn't affect mutation rolls whatsoever - theoretically, every cub could roll muts regardless of its "twin" having or not having a mutation. I think this is the best path forward.

→ Crunchy Worm Usage
Using a Strange Yam with a Crunchy Worm could result in two cubs being clones of the lioness, like two full RLCs. Proper RNG settings allowing this chance could make this a strong selling point.

If that's too complex, breeding for favorite markings would still be appealing. Admins might prefer it to be a Crunchy OR Strange Yam scenario, but I’m okay with that.

→ Rosette Passing
If the lion(ess) has many rosettes, this item could be great—if one twin inherits rosettes, you would get a 2-for-1 rosette offspring deal.


⥠Inspiration: "Yams are a rich source of progesterone and phytoestrogens, which may lead to hyper-ovulation. Therefore, the high amount of yams in human diets was reported as a probable cause of twin or multiple births."

The above is underresearched and often seen as a wives' tale, but I think it’s a fun and simple way to add breeding items without causing major balance issues and remaining in the realm of reality!


⥠Creator's Notes
My concept might be silly, but I think it could be fun and exciting. Let me know what you think, and feel free to share any disagreements - I love finding workarounds and solutions!



This suggestion has 560 supports and 23 NO supports.



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Edited on 10/11/24 @ 14:46:19 by ðŸ³ï¸‍🌈 Charlie - RGR! ðŸ³ï¸‍🌈 (#379209)

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Posted on
2024-09-08 09:18:53
Leon is right, kind of why I traded them off.. I guess I'm just worried about how bad it could tank. I was lucky to have a rare line, bc those are the only ones that actually sell anymore. Ughhh its so complicated



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2024-09-08 09:37:47
Leon, Sundrown, Manon,

I appreciate the insight into RL market - a good thing to see opinions. And no problem Sun, even if you hated the idea I would love to have your input (LOL). And yes Manon, you are correct - I think it would make sense. Because the only thing it guarantees is twins, so if you wanted to have more than 2 babies for CERTAIN, you would need to use other items. It would apply the same to DU - only 1 set of twins in a DU litter, unless you used 2 of the items per studding (I think that is how DUs work, I don't breed them, so correct me if wrong)

Also, the complexity of the market and navigating it is a gift - you are smart for the attempt! I don't touch the RLs or DUs LOL



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2024-09-08 13:54:21
I love how well this is put together after reading some of the comments I do have some questions (not all of them so forgive me if I mention a concern that’s already been addressed)

Does or will this item affect mutations in litters? If so will it limit what mutations it can throw? Ik a lot a people save there heats and what not for February so if this item were to affect mutations I feel like a lot of the hybrid community breeders would start automatically making people who want to buy heats more expensive due to the point of cloning/twining mutations. Or any other type of mutation I feel like the market would flood up and start to become super cheat then what prices already are



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2024-09-08 15:06:40
No, there is no affect on mutations (no copy, just like crunchy worms)



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2024-09-08 16:48:03
To address Sucker of Souls:

I think a thread consensus is that the item could but shouldn't affect mutations in litters - but it's a good point that maybe limiting what mutations it can "twin" is a better idea. Maybe it doesn't affect mutation rolls whatsoever - so theoretically every cub would roll muts regardless of it's "twin" having or not having a mutation. This isn't set in stone and I'm happy for admins to decide (or a community vote!)

As far as breeders making heats more expensive - that's up to the breeders, and their individual decisions. Any item could theoretically make heats more expensive i.e. requiring a Great Tit just to avoid using a cub/adult sex changer for split heats.

Prices are generally cheap for most mutations compared to 2021, but this is unlikely to change in my opinion until new lower-tier mutations (not hybrids, etc.) are introduced and/or there is some way to get rid of mutations. But I also think mutations being less valuable isn't a bad thing unless you're a mass-seller, as it makes them more accessible for new players and I like that. I frequently abandon mutated cubs or give away mutated AMPs upon adulthood. This is just my personal preference & perspective - absolutely no problem if you disagree.



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Posted on
2024-09-09 09:18:31
No support. The last thing lioden needs is more guarantee items.

I would be in favor of a Identical Twin mutation, since twins is a genetic thing irl. Have it be a passive chance that rolls if a litter is bigger than one cub at a rate of maybe 5% for non twins and 10% for confirmed twins. Half of litters on LD are one cub, so half of new cubs would be immediately ineligible.

But again, no support for yet another guaranteed pass item. We have enough of those and if you ask me, most of them have caused long term harm to several markets .



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2024-09-09 16:05:07
Jax - I don't see it this way but I appreciate your input.

I don't think we need another mutation for twins as we already have the conjoined lethal and this would feel redundant and worse. Twins produced by Strange Yam are still normal lions unless one happens to have a mutation (according to my most recent concept for the item), just as twins in reality are normal people who can have mutations independently of each other.

Thanks!



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2024-09-09 16:08:12
It's not redundant. Conjoined Twins are a lethal. They have no function or value other than a rarity you can freeze. Identical twins could be useful for a variety of reasons and are not "redundant" or "worse".

Just because they're both called "twins" doesn't mean it's the same thing. 🙄 If anything, your suggestion is redundant and yes, basically a reskinned GoP.



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2024-09-09 16:13:15
I feel like you're being a little harsh ;u; it's okay to have your own opinion, but that doesn't mean you can put someone down like that. Disagreements happen all the time, but being disrespectful to someone who clearly put a lot of work into this just doesn't sit right with me.



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2024-09-09 16:14:50
Where did I put someone down?

Also consider the whole debacle we just had with how new Raffle traits should be distributed without the lions themselves losing value. Yams + Crunchy Worms would increase the incidence of RLCs and more RLCs means the value goes down quicker. Again, longterm harm to the market.



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Edited on 09/09/24 @ 16:18:41 by JAX • 3.12.21 12/15 | 14/15 BO (#98288)

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2024-09-09 16:20:16
Also to add on, this suggestion is under active discussion and brainstorming. It is welcome to many differing ideas and open to constructive criticism, there are many different ways this item could be implemented. Contributing to this thread with your own opinion is great! But the way you wrote that comes off as passive aggressive whether or not that was your intention. Specifically the use of the eyeroll emoji and the word "redundant" which makes it seem like their opinion isn't respected. That's just my interpretation though I could be reading too far into things.



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2024-09-09 16:21:46
Ok.

Anyway, for the reasons stated in my previous reply, the item could have long term negative consequences for the market RLC. I generally think we should be steering away from these instant gratification items.



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Edited on 09/09/24 @ 16:22:05 by JAX • 3.12.21 12/15 | 14/15 BO (#98288)

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Posted on
2024-09-09 16:24:58
I do agree that there is a delicate line of balance with crunchy worms, I personally am not a fan of that function myself, but what I love is the concept of having identical twins in a litter regardless of the suggestions made for how this item should work!



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2024-09-09 16:29:25
We also need to look ahead and think long term. This item will probably make GoPs largely defunct. Triplets also exist. If implemented, people will be wanting a Buffalo Scrotum adjacent item too. That has the potential to seriously affect the breeding market.



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Posted on
2024-09-09 16:35:40
Jax, I appreciate your opinions however I think you are continuing to make the same points and I think this line of thought has exhausted itself. Thank you for joining the thread!



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