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 Zombeh || Clean King (#13715) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts  Posted on 2013-07-10 05:47:25 |
With the addition of sub males a lot of neat things have come into Lioden. We can have heirs now and sub male patroling is always fun. But other then that what's the real purpose of a sub male lion on this game? Are there any other perks aside from having them look fancy on your den? No. But what if we give them more of a purpose. ::Breeding & Retiring:: Lets say you have a pretty lioness that doesn't mix well with your main lion, but looks nice with your sub male. However there is no option currently to breed the two. You could go through the hassle of creating a side account and sending your sub male there, but what if you already have a side account with a custom male lion? And creating more accounts is against the rules, so you're stuck. Now back to my point, whats the purpose of a sub male lion currently? You spend time training up their stats and going on patrols, but what about when they age? Sure you can replace your main male lion when he retired, but wait.. hold up. When your lion dies you have the option to (retire them beforehand), reroll a new male lion, replace them with a heir or keep their appearance on the heir. So lets say your male lion that just died is a custom. You don't want to waste that money and/or time you spent creating him. You like the way he looks and you don't want to loose him. But.... you also like the way your sub male looks. Now you're stuck. What if your sub male is just as handsome has your main male or hey maybe he's a custom lion too! Before he dies you have no way at all to continue on his legacy and not only that but, wasted your hard earned time, SB or even GB when he dies. Now I have two ideas that could fix this: -You can give sub males the ability to breed within the pride. To avoid the already problem of too many cubs, we can have that be the only option. There wont be a stud fee, that's what you main lion is for. They can only breed to lioness within your pride. -There could also be an option to simply swap between your sub male(s) and main male at will. To avoid any issues with overpopulation or inflated cub prices, there could be a limit to how many times it can be done weekly (or even monthly). Heck maybe there's a cooldown for once you swap? This could also solve the issues of people creating multiple accounts for male lions. With this option their would be no need and you'd cut back on some rulebreakers too. Now before I close this part up, I'd also like to mention something. Lion prides in the wild can have multiple, adult male lions in them. If males team up to take out another lion and overtake his pride (which usually is the case). They don't have a set dominant male within their collation. It's first come first served. Any of the males can breed within the pride. New ideas & concepts- -Maybe even a breeding cool-down for sub males where you could only breed them every few weeks, much like lionesses. -Airika (#1552) -Another option when retiring your male lion, to keep the appearance on a new male. Not everyone wants to loose their main males appearance when he dies, but sometimes they already enjoy the way their sub males look. - Zombeh (#13715) -Or maybe save the appearance of your past lions and, when each retires, get the option to keep/re-roll/choose from all your past lions. That way, if you ever get an awesome submale, but his looks are nasty, you can have multiple options for appearances. Kimakishi [Kyo] {Loyalty} (CK) (#13351) Some suggestions: 5 more cooling days for females Limited to 5 a week Ou can switch in between sub males BUT your 5 studding limit does not change. It will still be the same witch ever male you breed to. Chunky (#10861) Going off giving the submales breeding capabilities within your pride only, why not make all submale breedings result in only one cub? Valravn (#22295) what about the suggestion of having several looks to choose from ONLY when your submale takes over the pride? Maybe make it cost like 1 GB or a high SB amount to store up to 5 designs. Then if you don't want to lose your oasis custom design, you just can only have one on your male, but you still have access to the other one? CharleyHorse (#7731) Also instead of just swapping out sub-males, why not have the ability to have the sub-male challenge the current king? And if say, his stats and level are high enough or if he's lucky enough he can chase out the current king. There could be a penalty, meaning the king would be chased out entirely or just swap rankings with the past sub-male, the sub-male becoming king, or even a 50/50 chance! Unkoneo (#45634) What if the main male had a chance to kill the cubs when they were born? Like you could get a message saying that you main male saw you breeding with the your sub and now He is going to kill the offspring to show that he is dominant male in the pride. And this could possibly carry a longer cool down because the main male is *watching* this sub more closely? Or if he didn't "notice" then the cubs would be raised as his own? Still carries a cool down Hayley (#53270) ------------------------------------------------ ::Roles:: This suggestion of mine is fairly old and I've only recently gotten back into Lioden. And I'm honestly surprised sub males still don't have that big of a role in prides. They sit there, look fancy and eat my food. Sure they can patrol, but that's it? It's a huge let down honestly and I feel there are so many great potential things you can add. Some ideas; -Males could have a option of taking a adolescent with them on a patrol. The adolescent may pick up some stats or experience from watching and learning from the sub male(s). Or maybe they lack of experience from the adolescents will mess up the patrol! Lots of options for funny notifications and text. "Adolescent Name tripped during the patrol; causing a commotion and scaring away any potential meals. Darn!" -A option could be for them to 'guard' cubs that you can choose. This would be especially neat if you tie in some sort of random event features. Maybe the cubs could pick up on a few things from these elder males watching them. "Cub name had a fun time pouncing on Sub Male's tail; it never hurts to practice after all. +Random stat" "After a game of hide and seek in the tall grass with Sub Male; Cub Name seemed to pick up a few lessons. +Random stat" "It appears Cub Name found something while out romping with Sub Male. +random toy item" -It'd be neat if Sub Males could maybe choose adolescents to mentor as well. There'd be a option for you to assign certain adols (with a limit) to be a apprentice of sorts to the sub male(s). Where they could train every so often or maybe spar to get random,small stat gains; maybe even items? "After a hard day of training; Adolescent Name gained a few skills! +Random stats" "Sub Male had a lot of trouble keeping Adolescent Name focused. They didn't learn anything today.." |
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Zombeh || Clean King (#13715)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-11-25 18:08:20 |
@Laszlo - Hrmm I will once again ask and mention that rather then repeatedly, over and over pointing out what you feel are flaws, how would you yourself better the suggestion to make it work. Honestly I feel you're way too worked up about of this and making it a bigger deal then it really is. It's a suggestion thread not a "Let me argue with every single post, repeat myself constantly and not add in any positive criticism or input into the idea" thread. I'm sorry if that comes off as rude, which I feel it does, but it's just the way I feel. I get you don't agree with my and others ideas. I respect your opinions on the matter. And hey it's a suggestion your entitled to love or hate it. You state your points over and over again, you fight with people with the same arguments. Like I get you don't agree, but can't you just- stop posting if you have nothing to contribute to the concept? We get your points, no need to continuously copy and paste them over and over. I just feel the whole topic is getting close to going from debate or borderline argument. And I don't want arguing :c  0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 28/11/13 by Zombeh (#13715) |
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Puddle (#18678)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2013-12-01 18:35:32 |
I fully support your first idea for sub-males. :} Keep them within the pride, and allow them a cooldown of 2 weeks or so. I did not know there could be multiple males in a single pride! That's good to know and explains a lot! 0 players like this post! Like? |
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FCV (#15132)
Terrifying View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-01-11 08:00:27 |
Rin Spiritwolf (#20915)
Cursed View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-01-23 11:59:29 |
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Something Royal (#21009)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-01-23 12:01:55 |
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Alyx{CleanTripleIce} (#23562)
Prince of the Savannah View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-02-21 06:00:24 |
Would be nice, I like the detail in the idea. The cooldown is a good catch to keep it from being too much - plus it helps if you have more then one male; mixes up the colors a little. Supported. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Momo [Myk] (#4541)
Prince of the Savannah View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-02-21 08:31:28 |
I want this. I want a Submale (or submales) who can breed with the females I own. I don’t care if he has a cooldown or if the breeding only produces one cub. I want that choice. The choice to have the most inbred sister-daughter-niece lion LioDen has ever seen. I'm not a player who plays this game in order to make SB/GB, go crazy in the forums, or breed the most sparkly stats a lion can have. I have never sold a lion on this site. Never. I’m not about to start either. It simply does not interest me. I'm the kind of player who lurks in my corner of the site, breeding my lions when I feel like it, leveling up my ladies, and writing stories about my pride. I do not have the patience to wait for a Main Male to reach the magical age of 15 before I get to breed my Submale who may or may not be close to the magical 15 as well. Ya know? I want sister-daughter-nieces and it is difficult enough trying to figure out how to make that when I have only one breedable male. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Nikki (#26250)
Amazing View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-03-03 17:27:00 |
PleasepleasePLEASE! 110% support from me~ I especially like the 'Only one cub' stipulation that could easily help with a possible market problem :) 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 03/03/14 by Nikki (#26250) |
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DemonBarber (#28731)
Amazing View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-03-08 11:05:39 |
I very much support this thread. I NEED THIS RVCUYEBIXNLJCFJVDKj. I'd really love to be able to breed my sub male, and the proposed restrictions would prevent market issues. Pleeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssssseeeeeee implement this ;_; 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Azalesha (L.O.S) (#2570)
Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-03-08 12:18:52 |
Perhaps to avoid ridiculously high stats for the cubs sired by the submales there could be a different equation for working out the birth stats? So like, for our main male it stays as it is now with: mom+dad, divide by 4, x 0.8, -1.2 But then for the submale's cubs you do the original equation and then half the stats or something? Because then it would encourage players to retire their old males to get the breeding benefit for the heir c: 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Axel (#6627)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-03-08 20:10:58 |
That still isnt going to cut it, Azalesha... lions that stay submales all their lives can get uber super hyper stats that make up for the different stat equations quite easily... 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 09/03/14 by Axel (#6627) |
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Azalesha (L.O.S) (#2570)
Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-03-08 21:23:27 |
Yeah I suppose :( The only thing we could really do is make it so the submale's stats aren't passed on at all and the cubs are born with: a. The stats they would have if bred with the king. Or b. Their stats reset to 5 in each category, so in total 25. So breeding submale's would really only be for looks. But there are probably flaws with both those ideas :c 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Axel (#6627)
Pervert View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-03-08 21:41:29 |
But then no one would bother with breeding, since looks mean nothing nowadays without stats. The real solution is to not implement it at all and either retire your main male early for 10GB or wait until he is 15 years. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Azalesha (L.O.S) (#2570)
Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-03-08 21:53:11 |
That's why I was hesitant about that idea :( Yeah, I never really had much hope for breeding submales, there are too many problems no matter what we do :c 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Ink (#45634)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2014-10-11 16:52:37 |
I'm pretty new to this game myself, but I absolutely love these ideas. Particularly the idea of being able to switch out males at will (preferably without having to pay money...) beacause I mean, in my case the randomised lion you start with might not be... the prettiest, but you might have a sub-male that you adore and want to be heir. So what options do you have? Waiting around for him to retire naturally? Paying real money for him to retire early? Paying REAL money to change how he looks so you don't have the problem? Not the greatest options. So I supposrt these ideas 100%! 0 players like this post! Like? |
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