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 🐆 faerie {FROZEN - DM SIDE!} (#112180) 
View Forum Posts  Posted on 2017-05-24 15:44:52 |
According to the Wiki, "Rosettes seem to be the most popular marking on Lioden currently, due to the mysterious nature of how they're passed on, and the fact that they can randomly pop up in any breeding. There are tons of user theories and conspiracies floating around regarding how Rosette works, but nobody truly knows—the code has yet to be cracked." This could be taken to imply that they are truly random ("the fact that they can randomly pop up in any breeding"), but it can also imply that there is, in fact, a code ("the code has yet to be cracked"). ----- Exhibit A: Cream Rosette Mother was chased, but had the following: Base: Cream (White Nose) Mane Type: Normal Mane Color: Brown Eye Color: Grey Slot 1: Onyx Ripple Slot 2: Chocolate Top Slot 6: Feline 7 Black Dad had the following: Base: Silver Grey (White Nose) Mane Type: Sideburn Mane Color: Lilac Eye Color: Lavender Slot 1: Feline 1 Dark Brown Slot 2: White Tips Slot 3: Feline 2 Onyx Slot 4: Feline 6 Onyx Slot 5: Feline 4 Onyx Slot 6: Feline 1 Onyx Slot 8: White Undercoat Slot 9: Feline 3 Onyx Slot 10: Onyx Lace ----- Exhibit B: Gold Rosette Mom had the following: Base: Dark Vanilla (Fallow Nose) Mane Type: Diabolic Mane Color: Lilac Eye Color: Pink Slot 1: Brown Mask Slot 4: Feline 6 Dark Brown Slot 5: Feline 4 Onyx Dad had the following: Base: Blush Rose (White Nose) Mane Type: Diabolic Mane Color: Manakbir Eye Color: Peach Slot 1: Feline 7 Ginger Slot 2: Feline 1 Black Slot 3: Rose Pelage Slot 4: Maroon Pelage Slot 5: Onyx Lace Slot 6: Feline 4 Silver Slot 7: Feline 2 Ginger Slot 8: White Panther Slot 9: Under White 4 Slot 10: Feline 3 Onyx ----- Exhibit C: Brown Rosette Mom had the following: Base: Dun (White Nose) Mane Type: Tsavo Mane Color: Maroon Eye Color: White Slot 1: White Cobweb Slot 6: Vitiligo 3 Slot 7: Vitiligo 2 Slot 9: Vitiligo 4 Dad had the Following: Base: Onyx (Brown Nose) Mane Type: Savage Mane Color: Unholy Eye Color: Saffron Slot 4: Feline 6 Onyx Slot 5: Feline 2 Onyx Slot 6: Feline 1 Onyx Slot 7: Feline 7 Onyx Slot 8: Feline 5 Onyx Slot 9: Feline 3 Onyx Slot 10: Feline 4 Onyx Do you see a pattern? I do. Every. Single. Father. Has. At. Least. One. Feline. Marking. See it? Maybe parents with Feline markings produce rosettes, but it's rare. Credit: Empress Tansy (#54105)  7 players like this post! Like? Edited on 02/09/18 @ 10:03:23 by starfruit [with a lowercase s] (#112180) |
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Rukial (#305237)
Good Natured View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 17:00:05 |
I didn’t lie? Like what? I never said my king didn’t have fera I said I changed the feline mark on my new king to try and fix him 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Rukial (#305237)
Good Natured View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 17:01:26 |
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Rukial (#305237)
Good Natured View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 17:04:03 |
So even if it wouldn’t really even matter it’s just a theory ur just saying other marks to try and make it work which idrc u do u 😂 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Zaba (#296262)
Indifferent View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 17:04:08 |
My king had a random rosette cub and has no feline markings, neither did the mother. (cub in question: https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794214453114 ) but hopefully his case helps but like other users pointed out, its could be tied to rosette-like markings cause he inherited the rosette where a lace marking could have been 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 12/03/24 @ 17:07:39 by Zaba (#296262) |
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Rukial (#305237)
Good Natured View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 17:05:40 |
See I’m not the only one just because it has a feline doesn’t mean it has a chance of a random rose and just because it doesn’t have feline doesn’t mean it has a chance either meaning ITS RANDOM 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Lucas | G1 Panda Scoundrel RLC (#229229) Vicious View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 17:09:21 |
Mottled rosettes count as a CAT marking, cats are felines which is why some may be confused when they hear Feline marks Also maybe even under silky, we don't know what exactly counts as a CTA mark 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Lucas | G1 Panda Scoundrel RLC (#229229) Vicious View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 17:15:20 |
And I doubt that rosettes show up in slots that were supposed to be something else. I have a Fiery Heavy Rose in Slot 20 when both parents have s1-10 0 players like this post! Like? |
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AlexCorvid| (#416170)
Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 17:17:34 |
I've had the luxury of documenting a rosette spawn that spawned OVER A GNAWROCK. They user did modbox and fix it but it was interesting to see 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 12/03/24 @ 17:17:55 by AlexCorvid[Once upon a Child] (#416170) |
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Renai ↻ (#21682)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 17:19:51 |
Regarding the situation with Gnawrock, has the player solved the problem? After all, the item itself GUARANTEES the "transfer" of the required marking Edit: Oh, I see. Ty! 1 player likes this post! Like?Edited on 12/03/24 @ 17:20:16 by Renai ↻ (#21682) |
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AlexCorvid| (#416170)
Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 17:22:12 |
I shared that info here because it provides potentially vital info on how the rosette is APPLIED upon spawning. Even though it did in fact spawn simultaneously with a GNAWROCK so it wasn't supposed to apply to that slot. Yet it DID. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Zaba (#296262)
Indifferent View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 18:58:01 |
Alex, so we can assume random rosettes always take priority? That is insanely helpful, especially with the leopard tail i have three random rosette cub cases if anybody wants to take a peak: https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794214453114 / https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794214641573 / https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794214697339 doesnt look like the ID numbers or base groups correlate in any way. Two cubs are cream dark, but one has briar and the other has auburn. Its probably related to a certain value, like time concieved, ID value, maybe a mix of the parent's IDs, or fertility value. It would be easier to code and modify that way P.S: i'd like to mention that random rosettes can appear in the scrying stone. I did 300 scries yesterday and ran into just one. Still useful for testing how it works. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 12/03/24 @ 19:15:29 by Zaba (#296262) |
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AlexCorvid| (#416170)
Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 21:39:35 |
I do find that scary stone is more or less unreliable when attaining set proof. It more or less provides a rough estimate 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Zaba (#296262)
Indifferent View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 21:48:11 |
i put two lions into the scrying stone 1000 times, both with 0 markings and no heritage note: normally i would document the cubs in a verifiable fashion, but i don't think anybody wants to upload nor scroll though 1,000 images. I have nothing to hide, so feel free to replicate the experiment yourself. female ID: 794148973089 male ID: 76541 Fodder: 1000 Random rosettes: 3 RANDOM 1: seal rosette in slot 10, rolled at 8:10 Lioden time RANDOM 2: Goridhe heavy rosette in slot 17, rolled at 8:55 lioden time RANDOM 3: white inverted shaded in slot 9, rolled at 8:57 lioden time odds: assuming the chance is completely random and tied to no external factors, the chance of getting a random is 0.3% Images to all three cubs: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/811994749941579817/1217313758284877846/image.png?ex=660392c8&is=65f11dc8&hm=2cd836bc2f36d5fa090d8df06285c17e9851f9d42f95df041d49fdec49b2255c& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/811994749941579817/1217320467208212580/image.png?ex=66039908&is=65f12408&hm=f69b57840859a824c5c15abe9a261fee5bba76416a6327476455d9a0372d28c4& https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/811994749941579817/1217320886559047741/image.png?ex=6603996c&is=65f1246c&hm=7ab5ca522af5c988e115fda6a1e86b8e41ec452b0eaff67b81f54e3ed8475f7f& conclusion: markings have nothing to do with rosettes, since two markingless lions were able to produce 3 randoms. Base is not allocated to a certain rosette, since two of the cubs share a base but have totally different rosettes. Fertiliity is unrelated as well. Time, however, may play a big role. Though this thread is dedicated to connecting markings to random rosettes, it seems unlikely, Naturally if you include all of the popular markings in the game, its going to make a false trend. However, it doesn't disprove that certain markings *boost* the chance Reliable or not, its certainly something to look at 1 player likes this post! Like?Edited on 13/03/24 @ 00:09:03 by Zaba (#296262) |
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AlexCorvid| (#416170)
Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 21:52:20 |
My main concern is logging as many verified genuine spawns as possible and using those details as a means to look into the variety of details available in the mix. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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AlexCorvid| (#416170)
Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-12 21:53:10 |
Unfortunately my Imgur is slow and won't let me copy the image URLs right away cus it's ficky puck. So it's taking a while 0 players like this post! Like? |
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