Posted by Cracking The Rosette Code?

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Posted on
2017-05-24 15:44:52
According to the Wiki,
"Rosettes seem to be the most popular marking on Lioden currently, due to the mysterious nature of how they're passed on, and the fact that they can randomly pop up in any breeding. There are tons of user theories and conspiracies floating around regarding how Rosette works, but nobody truly knowsβ€”the code has yet to be cracked."

This could be taken to imply that they are truly random ("the fact that they can randomly pop up in any breeding"), but it can also imply that there is, in fact, a code ("the code has yet to be cracked").


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Exhibit A:
Cream Rosette

Mother was chased, but had the following:
Base: Cream (White Nose)
Mane Type: Normal
Mane Color: Brown
Eye Color: Grey
Slot 1: Onyx Ripple
Slot 2: Chocolate Top
Slot 6: Feline 7 Black

Dad had the following:
Base: Silver Grey (White Nose)
Mane Type: Sideburn
Mane Color: Lilac
Eye Color: Lavender
Slot 1: Feline 1 Dark Brown
Slot 2: White Tips
Slot 3: Feline 2 Onyx
Slot 4: Feline 6 Onyx
Slot 5: Feline 4 Onyx
Slot 6: Feline 1 Onyx
Slot 8: White Undercoat
Slot 9: Feline 3 Onyx
Slot 10: Onyx Lace
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Exhibit B:
Gold Rosette

Mom had the following:
Base: Dark Vanilla (Fallow Nose)
Mane Type: Diabolic
Mane Color: Lilac
Eye Color: Pink
Slot 1: Brown Mask
Slot 4: Feline 6 Dark Brown
Slot 5: Feline 4 Onyx

Dad had the following:
Base: Blush Rose (White Nose)
Mane Type: Diabolic
Mane Color: Manakbir
Eye Color: Peach
Slot 1: Feline 7 Ginger
Slot 2: Feline 1 Black
Slot 3: Rose Pelage
Slot 4: Maroon Pelage
Slot 5: Onyx Lace
Slot 6: Feline 4 Silver
Slot 7: Feline 2 Ginger
Slot 8: White Panther
Slot 9: Under White 4
Slot 10: Feline 3 Onyx
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Exhibit C:
Brown Rosette

Mom had the following:
Base: Dun (White Nose)
Mane Type: Tsavo
Mane Color: Maroon
Eye Color: White
Slot 1: White Cobweb
Slot 6: Vitiligo 3
Slot 7: Vitiligo 2
Slot 9: Vitiligo 4

Dad had the Following:
Base: Onyx (Brown Nose)
Mane Type: Savage
Mane Color: Unholy
Eye Color: Saffron
Slot 4: Feline 6 Onyx
Slot 5: Feline 2 Onyx
Slot 6: Feline 1 Onyx
Slot 7: Feline 7 Onyx
Slot 8: Feline 5 Onyx
Slot 9: Feline 3 Onyx
Slot 10: Feline 4 Onyx

Do you see a pattern?
I do.
Every. Single. Father. Has. At. Least. One. Feline. Marking.
See it?
Maybe parents with Feline markings produce rosettes, but it's rare.

Credit: Empress Tansy (#54105)




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Edited on 02/09/18 @ 10:03:23 by starfruit [with a lowercase s] (#112180)

AlexCorvid| (#416170)

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Posted on
2024-05-15 19:40:24
https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794218879550 briar heavy rosette spawn



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~Firefly~ (#461383)

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Posted on
2024-06-04 07:52:52
Wow, this is really interesting. My king has a feline marking too! And he's had a random rosette Click here



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Asterisk (#105356)

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Posted on
2024-06-06 04:49:15
We should start tracking other factors like time of day bred, season etc.



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Talon (He/They) (#293003)

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Posted on
2024-07-20 07:47:11
I had fiery shaded rosette spawn on a cub born today =]
Here is her link https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794223740227



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sel [G2 10BO
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Posted on
2024-07-29 06:19:39
had a random seal soft rosette born today: https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794224569665
mother does have a feline marking



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Posted on
2024-07-29 20:36:59
Um I just found something I thought was interesting, not sure if anyone's seen something similar but I have an NRLC of the June 18 2021 Scoundrel RLC (my fave design so far) and I was messing around in the scry stone (i spend way too much sb there) and after about three tries, a random rosette popped up in slot 6!

so I recorded this, kept trying then again at try #78 () guess what happened? ANOTHER ROSETTE, slot 6 also! Coincidence??

I've recorded the results in the cub's description below (I'd say the time I did the scries was between 8pm-8:25pm LDT July 29, dry season, sunny if that's of any significance). She's a 7/15, all her markings are exactly what they should be for their respective slot, no feline markings for either my cub or the stud.

Edit: stud is this fella

Here is the cub in question



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Edited on 29/07/24 @ 20:40:13 by Absoloki|G1 Murky DemiurgeπŸ’« (#454511)

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Posted on
2024-08-01 02:41:56
To add my own random rosette cubs to the mix in case it helps find a pattern... I've been keeping track of only the same slot markings from mom and dad, haven't kept track of bases or anything else.

Cub Slot 10: Ebony Heavy Rosette (tier4)
Dad Slot 10: Blue Poinsettia Snuggle (tier 3)
Mom Slot 10: Leg Banding White (tier 1)

Cub Slot 7; Ebony Soft Rosette (tier 4)
Dad Slot 7: Rime Reverse Vitiligo Mash (tier 3)
Mom Slot 7: Cherry Upendezi (tier 3)

Cub Slot 5: Dark Brown Rosette (tier 4)
Dad Slot 5: Hoarfrost Hyena Unders (tier 3)
Mom Slot 5: empty

Cub Slot 6: Fiery Inverted Shaded Rosette (tier 4)
Dad Slot 6: Mistletoe Reverse Indri (tier 3)
Mom Slot 6: Empty

For all of my random rosettes, dad has had a tier 3 marking in the same slot as the rosette. Dad does also happen to have a feline marking on a different slot, but personally I don't think markings on other slots are as much a factor. With other breeding projects, if you want something on a particular slot you have to find markings on that exact spot, and I suspect it works the same way with these. Most of the other lions I was where genetics of cubs and both parents were listed seemed to follow the same trend of one parent had a tier 3 marking in the exact same slot that the rosette appeared in the cub. The only exceptions I recall seeing were when the rosette appeared in a slot after slot 10.



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sel [G2 10BO
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Posted on
2024-08-09 07:18:00
random cream rosette
https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794225482285

dad has feline marking

and an auburn soft rosette
both parents have feline marking
https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794225439754



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Edited on 09/08/24 @ 07:19:03 by selkirk [G2 9BO DORSAL ICE] (#123003)

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Posted on
2024-08-14 03:38:46
My king has no feline marks, but has passed two cubs with red heavy rosette recently. tough



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sel [G2 10BO
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Posted on
2024-08-17 10:21:00
random rosette https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794226077128
father has feline marking



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Edited on 17/08/24 @ 10:21:29 by selkirk [G2 9BO DORSAL ICE] (#123003)

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Posted on
2024-08-18 18:55:10
Got a random rosette a while ago, forgot to jump on the thread:

Mom:
Felis - Saffron base
Slot 2: Onyx Quagga (60%) Tier 6
Slot 4: Scoundrel Inverted Brawl (56%) Tier 3
Slot 5: White Mottled Vents (76%) Tier 6
Slot 6: Scoundrel Undersides (52%) Tier 3
Slot 7: Noctis Snout (89%) Tier 1
Slot 8: Leonid Feline (52%) Tier 3

Dad:
Ferus - Wepwawet
Slot 1: Leonid Smoke (100%) Tier 3
Slot 2: Leonid Undershine (100%) Tier 3
Slot 3: Leonid Coat (100%) Tier 3
Slot 4: Scoundrel Inverted Brawl (100%) Tier 3
Slot 5: Scoundrel Pelage (100%) Tier 3
Slot 6: Scoundrel Undersides (100%) Tier 3
Slot 7: Blood Moon Feline (100%) Tier 3
Slot 8: Leonid Feline (100%) Tier 3
Slot 9: Leonid Splendor (15%) Tier 3
Slot 10: Under White 6 (58%) Tier 0
Slot 11: White Blaze (62%) Tier 0

Rosette kid:
Deira base
Slot 3: Leonid Coat (47%) Tier 3
Slot 4: Scoundrel Inverted Brawl (69%) Tier 3
Slot 5: Scoundrel Pelage (78%) Tier 3
Slot 6: Scoundrel Undersides (68%) Tier 3
Slot 7: Doubloon Heavy Rosette (60%) Tier 4
Slot 8: Leonid Feline (67%) Tier 3



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Shadow (#262747)

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Posted on
2024-09-04 11:24:03
I know that this is a page for cracking of the Rosette code but my G1 jaglion had 2 heats resulting in 6 cubs. Of the 6 cubs 4 had the phantom rosettes pop up. Two different studs were used. Both of them have rosettes but non "normal" rosettes passed. My question is has anyone else noticed that phantom rosettes has a higher passing rate?



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dragin (#200436)

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Posted on
2024-10-27 16:58:53
recently my king has given me 2 saffron inverted shaded rosette babies. could just be luck that it rolled the same rosette twice, but my idea is that it's related to the feline markings he has.

babies -
8's
Goldwaite's

Versus - my king
Slot 1: Ukame Marble (100%) Tier 3
Slot 2: Bandit Feline (100%) Tier 3 ******
Slot 5: Nomad Feline (100%) Tier 3 ******
Slot 6: Stratosphere Flare (100%) Tier 3
Slot 7: Aufeis Firn (100%) Tier 3
Slot 8: Stratosphere Splendor (100%) Tier 3
Slot 10: Scoundrel Pelage (100%) Tier 3
Slot 12: Cloudburst Mist (100%) Tier 3

Goldwaite - Mom 1
Slot 1: Haliotis Mesh (31%) Tier 3
Slot 3: Merlot Flux (37%) Tier 3
Slot 4: Noctis Ghost Feralis (47%) Tier 6
Slot 6: Feralis Noctis (29%) Tier 6

8 (breeding proj)
Slot 3: Briar Brindle (90%) Tier 2
Slot 5: Scoundrel Pelage (60%) Tier 3
Slot 6: Feline 6 Fiery (72%) Tier 2
Slot 10: Dawn Margay (44%) Tier 3

just thought I'd add to this database! I'll probably update if my king produces any other rosettes.



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nebula/ferrous πŸ’« (#434371)

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Posted on
2024-11-15 12:25:57
So, the biggest theory about (criteria'd) rosettes is spawning in the slot that contained a "cat" marking.


I decided to take a look and see what shapes could potentially match this criteria.


Then there's the confusion about what actually constitutes a "cat" marking. Obviously feline markings, ones based off of actual cat species and breeds (puma, cheetah, burmese, etc), but "lace" isn't an actual cat marking afaik but people report it making rosettes so idfk. Because most markings in the game are found on actual cats? So maybe it's just markings that are specific breeds/species, and not things like domino, brindle, etc etc. So, let's resort excluding those for clarity. Above includes all of my hypotheses which i may test in the future lmao

Markings based on living cats:


Domestic cat breeds:


Extinct cat species:


Non-specific, but cat nonetheless


Not technically "cat"


Need more testing


also then there's the question of can RRs spawn on top of other RRs (like you have ESR s10 and breed a cub w NShR s10)

if i missed anything/you have additional info lmk!!



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AlexCorvid| (#416170)

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Posted on
2024-11-15 17:35:56
https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429538020

If both parents are available and you know how, you can document the rosette spawn here with screenshots.



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