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 Xylax (#4)  
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts  Posted on 2017-10-27 07:59:48 |
- New Color Group (like Black, Cream etc) and move just a few bases such as Cinnabar etc + add new ones. Black, Cream, Red, Golden, Iridescent - ideally this would free up how crowded Black group is with colours like Opal, Glacial, Ice and so on and make Black more about Black and Maltese/Lilac. This would make few bases forced to be moved to new colour groups. - New Shading Group (like Solid and Countershaded) and just move the colours like green, blue etc to new shade to make the breeding within same colour group easier for natural and colorbomb breeders. Esentially such idea would keep all existing bases in same colour groups as they are but added a third shading variety. Keep in mind this is just a discussion to see what community thinks about this idea! It does not have to be a planned update. I am open to anything. We can poll moving EACH base first. We will obviously fill any gaps that would appear with new bases, specially from Suggestion boards. It would open doors for more coloruful bases without distrupting natural breeders. We could introduce new NCL's sporting unique Iridescent bases in events like "Weekend only" and so on. ADDITIONALLY - Also I am open to Iridiscent Colour Group working with BOOSTS with their previous colours (like Cinnabar working with Reds with additional breeding boosts) Let us know your thoughts! NOTE: there is no reason to create suggestions already based on this idea as this mechanic not only does not exist on Lioden yet, but it does not have to end up in Lioden at all. You're welcome to post your ideas here directly.ll Original suggestion, worth reading |
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fortmax (#91111)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-03 23:51:43 |
Yeah, again if this HAS to happen, please just let it be a Shading group. I get that some existing bases don't seem like they should go together, but do Cinnabar and Celestial seem like they belong in the same group at all? And yeah, Qetzel, I also wanna thank you for mentioning the market- not enough people are mentioning that. @GOAT, "I understand we spent a lot of money on lionesses towards our goals, but in the end, the change will be much easier on us." Sorry, but I just invested, and am about to invest, bookoo amounts of GB and time into my heirs, and they're both potentially subject to change, as are the lionesses that I've purchased to breed with them. I would be PISSED if I spent even longer than I have breeding a certain base, filling up my clan with certain lionesses, spending potentially real money...to have it be moved to an entirely different base group. Base shade? Ok. I can breed my Onyx stud to a Black Light girl and get a decent result. But base /group/? Nah. I don't want that to affect the market, to affect players' projects, etc  0 players like this post! Like? |
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parlaymars | g1 wither (#32337) Impeccable View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-04 00:23:28 |
I've supported only for a new gradient (solid/counter shaded/iridescent), definitely NOT a new base group. For those saying blue bases don't fit in black - blue is a dilute of black. Blue bases for sure should be in the black category, especially if you're taking a realistic approach to breeding. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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fortmax (#91111)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-04 00:25:56 |
@damnation- Thank you for putting the blue-black thing to words! It's been frustrating me a lot, because I KNEW that it was wrong, but didn't know how to word it. (So, yes, Glacial does belong with Black.) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Orcinus [Starlit Floof] (#31718) Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-04 01:31:08 |
I think a new 'Iridescent' shading group would be good :o I don't like the idea of just moving a bunch of bases from everywhere into the same genetic group. It's akin to going back before genetics groups were even a thing and I think it will only be a matter of time before it would need restructured completely. Another issue I can see is I only try to breed Fiery and Blazing bases. If people vote to move to only one of those bases to a completely different group, my breeding goals break. Keeping them in the same breeding genetic group but just changing the shading then there's at least a slim chance I could continue breeding both bases. I'm sure other people have the same sort of breeding set up as me... a different shading vs a different breeding group provides a failsafe. That's my thoughts at least. I'd survive either way ^w^ 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 04/11/17 @ 01:33:35 by Orcinus [Blazing Tiger King] (#31718) |
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Arctictea (#347)
Angelic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-04 01:35:44 |
I think a change is a good thing. There are new bases coming all the time, so breeding for them will be trickier the more we get (and we want more bases!). Adding a new shading seems to me the best way to go around it (and the one that makes most sense). I actually feel that the point Tale brought up against a iridescent shade (less variety in breeding) is something positive; it eases selective breeding. The less variety, the less bases that compete to be born. Sure, the speschual ones have fixed chance, but if you want to breed any other, then they just compete. I'm guessing it was the reason this system was made to begin with? To sort the bases up and make sure only "similar" were passed to the offspring? A new shading is just an expansion without moving any bases - only refining the sorting somewhat. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 04/11/17 @ 01:39:14 by Arctictea (#347) |
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muttduck (#78)
Blessed View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-04 04:51:04 |
I would much rather see Iridescent in Shades versus the Bases. I like Slate, Ice, Moonstone, etc... I would much rather see them stay in their current base group, where yes, the inevitable flood of Dun rejects occur, as opposed to having a giant flood of unexpected reject colors that won't blend with the markings used. Many players choose markings based on our lions' bases, and what blends with it. If we suddenly have bases popping out that clash harshly with the markings, I foresee a flood of unwanted cubs being dumped at the tree or in the TC, which will adversely effect the economy and the value of certain markings. Keeping them in the same Base Group, as a new Shade, will allow those who don't like those unnatural colors to avoid them easier by simply avoiding the iridescent shade when breeding, without disrupting the current color system too much. It will also allow players who have those colors to continue working on their breeding projects without having to potentially replace entire dens with new bases that would compliment their goal genetically. When Blush Rose changed from one Base Group to another, I found myself with a den full of useless special based lionesses. Having to sell them and replace them was costly, as well as time consuming. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Snowcat13-G1 Ice-6 cimm (#52694)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-04 07:04:42 |
I personally don't want any change at all. I like the current system just fine. I think the recent introduction of sunset into red group has brought a lot more interest to the red group in general. Also love teardrop and have started breeding some creams because of it. Same for Topaz in gold group. If you move teardrop and topaz into a new color group as I've seen suggested then no longer will I have any use for gold or cream color group. We are just finally getting some great colors in other groups than black. Why mess it up? I absolutely hate the idea of moving existing bases. People have spent tons of real money on breeding programs only to have everything change. And why? It's great the way it is. If it had to be implemented making it just another shading in same color group would be far preferable. But I strongly prefer to just leave it alone altogether. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Dazai (#110927)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-04 11:18:53 |
I'm glad this has come up! Just yesterday I was looking through base suggestions- loving on all the bright ones of course- and hoping for some like those! But, I don't think we should move the bases from where they are- updating them may be nice, but I think maybe just connect them to the iridescent group? So it doesn't hurt people's breeding project as as much and there would be less upset/confused/angry people? Just a thought. And I think introducing the NCLs with the bases would be a wonderful idea! So people can pick and choose if the want them or not (and it'd be nice to get an NCL that wasn't plain yellow XD) 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Shamandalie (#9434)
Majestic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-04 12:05:13 |
I prefer it to be a shading group, rather than a whole base color group. I also really dislike the idea of existing bases being moved to a new group. As some people mentioned before, the blues belong with the blacks as blue is genetically a dilution of black. Plus, I don´t want possible breeding projects that people might have planned affected too much. I, for example, have a future heir that is cinnabar. If cinnabar would be moved to an entirely different group and he would suddenly throw possible green and rainbow cubs I could not use him for my pride anymore. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 04/11/17 @ 12:12:47 by Shamandalie (#9434) |
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📎 GP GrandPotato (#116877)
Renowned View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-04 12:11:00 |
I don't really understand bredding yet, but a new color group with boosts associated with their previous groups sounds really cool 0 players like this post! Like? |
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fortmax (#91111)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-04 13:59:37 |
It seems like a pretty strong majority of people are against existing bases being moved, and a great amount of people are only ok with this being a Shade. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Kich (#2373)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-04 14:12:00 |
I'd like this as a new shading group, but not as a new color group. Because.. Black, cream, golden, red - iridescent doesn't fit, it's not a color, it just doesn't belong, not as a word either. Solid, countershaded, iridescent - here it fits in every way possible! It's perfect and precious and I love it. So yes, supporting as a new shading group too! ^^ Just not as a color group. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Ritual (#117062)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-05 15:08:53 |
I honestly don't care if we get an iridescent group or not in principal. In theory, I like it because, unlike most people commenting, I would like to not breed as many natural bases. My concerns are, though, that certain bases will be harder to breed for, which I do not want. Also, if natural bases go in one section and unnatural in another, it's all or nothing. Sidereal is not "natural". Sulphur is not "natural". Mauve is not "natural". Bloodbourne is not "natural". Even stuff like Jet or Ebony are not "natural". So it's kind of either you separate all of the brown/tan/golden/creams from everything else, or you don't really have a reason to do it at all. If this only exists to separate out a handful of bright bases that a specific corner of Lioden doesn't like, it's not something I want to support. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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💎⭐ Kiita ⭐💎 (#85179)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-05 17:04:20 |
Ritual I agree so much with every point you just made. I second that. All of it. I feel like you put into words how I feel about it, tbh. Plus thought of some things I hadn't even considered. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 05/11/17 @ 17:05:40 by ✭💎⭐ Kiita ⭐💎✭ (#85179) |
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Ritual (#117062)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-05 20:04:18 |
Don't get me wrong, I don't think for one second the LD team is going to switch up the main facet of the game without some major thought and planning. But I feel like a lot of the "need" for an iridescent group comes from a loud minority constantly complaining about "unrealistic" or "unnatural" bases. Most of which still like and breed "unrealistic" and "unnatural" bases (Typically the July bases or darker reds). They just don't like specific ones, so those have to be gotten rid of/harder to get to suit their aesthetics and theirs alone. Probably going to get flak for saying that, but  0 players like this post! Like? |
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