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 Xylax (#4)  
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts  Posted on 2017-10-27 07:59:48 |
- New Color Group (like Black, Cream etc) and move just a few bases such as Cinnabar etc + add new ones. Black, Cream, Red, Golden, Iridescent - ideally this would free up how crowded Black group is with colours like Opal, Glacial, Ice and so on and make Black more about Black and Maltese/Lilac. This would make few bases forced to be moved to new colour groups. - New Shading Group (like Solid and Countershaded) and just move the colours like green, blue etc to new shade to make the breeding within same colour group easier for natural and colorbomb breeders. Esentially such idea would keep all existing bases in same colour groups as they are but added a third shading variety. Keep in mind this is just a discussion to see what community thinks about this idea! It does not have to be a planned update. I am open to anything. We can poll moving EACH base first. We will obviously fill any gaps that would appear with new bases, specially from Suggestion boards. It would open doors for more coloruful bases without distrupting natural breeders. We could introduce new NCL's sporting unique Iridescent bases in events like "Weekend only" and so on. ADDITIONALLY - Also I am open to Iridiscent Colour Group working with BOOSTS with their previous colours (like Cinnabar working with Reds with additional breeding boosts) Let us know your thoughts! NOTE: there is no reason to create suggestions already based on this idea as this mechanic not only does not exist on Lioden yet, but it does not have to end up in Lioden at all. You're welcome to post your ideas here directly.ll Original suggestion, worth reading |
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Snowcat13-G1 Ice-6 cimm (#52694)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-05 21:40:13 |
Problem is everyone would have a different interpretation of what is realistic. With the breeding system as it is it's not that hard to avoid certain colors if you don't like them. Unless like me you breed sidereal then there will be mountains of duns and sterling. Can't avoid that. LOL  0 players like this post! Like? |
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LittleAntler (#30151)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-05 21:48:16 |
I'm honestly neutral on the whole idea. If it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, it doesn't. I personally don't see much of an issue with it, no matter what form it takes. To me, it just adds a bit more genetic variables into the mix, which can be a great deal of fun. More colors, more bases, more possibilities for unique lions. I can see why people with specific breeding projects might hate it - After all, they've spent so much time and money getting those lionesses and lions just to try and breed for a certain thing. But at the same time, why should they deprive everyone else of what they want? Sure, they worked hard, and it feels difficult to have all of your work roll back a bit. I remember back when there was a new algorithm used for determining stats put into place - Stat breeders flipped. Now, though, you see that they've adapted. Sure, it's more difficult now, but it's not impossible. It wouldn't affect me in any way, so I don't feel I have much of a say in it, though it would seem the majority want it, so I'll throw in my support for them. There's no reason for me not to support it, after all! 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Tale (#68023)
Mean View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-10 09:35:05 |
@Xylax; can you elaborate on what you mean by the irridecent color bases having a boost with their former color groups? Does that mean an ice irridecent would be more likely to the black bases? Does this still mean an ice could throw something completely unrelated like a cinnabar? 0 players like this post! Like? |
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fortmax (#91111)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-10 09:38:27 |
Ok, to hijack Tale's comment (sorry!), that's why I feel like this as a Shade works better. Does it make more sense for you to have a Celestial randomly throw you a Cinnabar from a Celestial x Skyward pair, or to have a Cinnabar randomly pop up from an Angelic x Mahogany pair? 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Myriad [mostly frozen] (#76) 
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-10 09:53:46 |
The site-wide poll in today’s News seems to show an overall preference rn ( The overwhelming majority of people who have taken the time and trouble to come and comment on the thread have voiced a preference for it as a shade (if it happens at all), but as often seems to happen, the silent mass of players who haven’t come and discussed it is apparently in the other direction. I really wish more context was given directly in polls, so that people had to stop and think a little more before they vote. As with many News poll votes in the past that have had obvious-seeming issues that people have voted regardless of, I’m not really convinced that the results would be the same if more information was given to people *before* they voted. I know, they can come and read the discussion thread, and the original suggestion, but lbr a lot of players don’t go out of their way to do that kinda thing before just clicking a box and using their vote. If it was literally in the poll itself, even very briefly, it might make a difference? Otherwise you just know that some of the same people who have voted for iridescent as a new group are going to be the same ones complaining eventually that their fave bases have been moved and their plans are wrecked  0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 10/11/17 @ 10:06:49 by Myriad ☕ (#76) |
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fortmax (#91111)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-10 10:06:45 |
Exactly, thank you Myriad. I really hope that staff takes that into consideration. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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muttduck (#78)
Blessed View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-10 10:13:29 |
I absolutely agree with Myriad. I feel that the votes on the Poll are not accurately reflecting the opinions of those who have done serious thought about the consequences and benefits of both options. It's like people are voting, just to vote. Very disappointing. The biggest issues with the "new group" idea, are the possibilities of odd unwanted colors popping up from desired colors, as well as the immediate 'uselessness' of the lionesses many of us have built our breeding projects with, as their bases will no longer help the end goal. This is going to flood the marked with lionesses that were once valuable, and now aren't, shooting the economy in the foot. Either way it goes, natural breeders can avoid these unwanted colors more easily than they do now, so using that as a reason to vote one way or the other is moot. So, for those who ARE breeding for the proposed iridescent colors, the best solution is the Shade option, for the reasons above. Please, please, *PLEASE* consider this as a SHADE, not a group. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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muttduck (#78)
Blessed View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-10 10:18:10 |
Back to add... After Blush Rose was changed a while back, I lost an incredible amount of SB/GB trying to sell lionesses that no longer worked (and whose value plummeted), to buy lionesses that did (whose prices skyrocketed). I *WILL NOT* do that again. I would rather just walk away from the site. Seriously. If I end up with 60+ useless lionesses and cubs again, I'm done. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Bezthiel 🍉 (#81210)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-10 10:37:16 |
I'm personally leaning toward the idea of a new group with boosts, but for now I'll reserve judgement until/unless that can be elaborated on more precisely. I also really don't want to see many (if any) bases moved at all. Save for Cinnabar and Green, most of the current bases aren't really eye-sore quality enough to warrant being moved; they fit fine in their current groups (well... except green and that planned blue/orange gem base). If Iridescent does end up a new color group, it'd be better off filled in with more bases than moving current ones. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Tallulah (#11352)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-10 10:37:27 |
I strongly agree with the last three people who posted here. (Namely Myriad, fortmax, muttduck) I feel as a new group, it will mess up the current genetics system pretty badly. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 10/11/17 @ 10:38:40 by Tallulah (#11352) |
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Ritual (#117062)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-10 11:20:43 |
I do not want this to be a new color group in any capacity, especially if there's a chance that "iridescent" bases will be harder to breed for, which sound like they will be, due to the lack of combinations that will be able to produce them. Also, the "boost" hasn't been very well defined, but if it means something along the lines of not being able to get Cinnabar from Sapela, but being able to get Cedar from Cinnabar, that's a really raw deal for people like me who mass breed Cinnabar. On top of that, again, I'm really not digging this "let's only separate out glacial/cinnabar/green/the bases I find distasteful" thing. If the point of this is to screw over bright base breeders, I'm out entirely. I think a shade/gradient is an okay compromise. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Doggy (#60955)
Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-10 15:05:51 |
Hello yes iridescent should be a shading group??? Because?? Logic???? Yeah here’s the thing: My blue lion shouldn’t be breeding cinnabars. He’s blue and not pink for a reason. My bloodbourne shouldn’t be breeding topaz. Yeah, that’s where i draw the line. I guess you could use boosts, but I like the variety that’s included now. Iridescent as a whole new group would - and excuse my language - be a clusterfuck of eye bleeding colors that would have very confusing breeding patterns. Don’t get me wrong, sometimes i love my eye bleeding colors. Gimme that beautiful ass neon pink sometimes. But listen, i don’t want to be breeding a cinna to a topaz and suddenly get a moonstone. Even with boosts I don’t want iridescent as a base group. I would much rather have it was a shading group. In fact, I LOVE the idea of it as a shading group! TO THE ANGRY NATURAL AND COLORBOMB BREEDERS: Now, I know you hate each others lions. I know you want to avoid it as much as possible, but it’s not realistic. I know what you’re going to say, “Neither are pink and blue lions!” My response: stop using that stupid argument. Seriously. Stop. You can’t avoid each other forever. You’re gonna cross paths. I’m sorry that you, colorbomb breeder, are crying because you just saw a tan lion. I’m sorry that you, natural breeder, are screaming into the void because you saw a pink lion on a virtual game. 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 10/11/17 @ 15:09:20 by 🌱Wolfie🌱 (#60955) |
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Thalath {Offline} (#41669)
Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-10 19:08:43 |
"But listen, i don’t want to be breeding a cinna to a topaz and suddenly get a moonstone. Even with boosts I don’t want iridescent as a base group. " Exactly. A new color group is... it just... it doesn't make sense. Shade does. Solid and Countershaded for the more "normal"-looking bases, like Maltese. Iridescent for highly-saturated/exaggerated colors, like Glacial. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Tale (#68023)
Mean View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-10 19:11:27 |
I completely agree with all you guys. Black iridescent should = blues/purples, cream iridescent should = pink, red iridescent should = orange, gold iridescent should = green. It's like a color modifier, not a completely new color itself. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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😸 Chonk 😸 (#54568)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-10 19:13:11 |
I agree I love colorful bases as much as anybody and I like the idea that I could specifically breed for them but getting a random colorful base would suck. I dont want glacial when Im trying for cinnabar. Id rather have it the way it is now than something that much of a random clusterfuck. So basically shade change would be good but group change would be a mess imo 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 11/11/17 @ 01:22:44 by Locust {Reduced Royalty} (#54568) |
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