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 Xylax (#4)  
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts  Posted on 2017-10-27 07:59:48 |
- New Color Group (like Black, Cream etc) and move just a few bases such as Cinnabar etc + add new ones. Black, Cream, Red, Golden, Iridescent - ideally this would free up how crowded Black group is with colours like Opal, Glacial, Ice and so on and make Black more about Black and Maltese/Lilac. This would make few bases forced to be moved to new colour groups. - New Shading Group (like Solid and Countershaded) and just move the colours like green, blue etc to new shade to make the breeding within same colour group easier for natural and colorbomb breeders. Esentially such idea would keep all existing bases in same colour groups as they are but added a third shading variety. Keep in mind this is just a discussion to see what community thinks about this idea! It does not have to be a planned update. I am open to anything. We can poll moving EACH base first. We will obviously fill any gaps that would appear with new bases, specially from Suggestion boards. It would open doors for more coloruful bases without distrupting natural breeders. We could introduce new NCL's sporting unique Iridescent bases in events like "Weekend only" and so on. ADDITIONALLY - Also I am open to Iridiscent Colour Group working with BOOSTS with their previous colours (like Cinnabar working with Reds with additional breeding boosts) Let us know your thoughts! NOTE: there is no reason to create suggestions already based on this idea as this mechanic not only does not exist on Lioden yet, but it does not have to end up in Lioden at all. You're welcome to post your ideas here directly.ll Original suggestion, worth reading |
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Doggy (#60955)
Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 12:56:40 |
Heres a helpful little list: If iridecent becomes a new color: Pros: - unnatural and natural bases would avoid each other Cons: - you would get lions of random colors and the breeding would be unorganized and confusing - many breeding projects would have gone to shit - the line between natural and unnatural is debatable If iridecent becomes a new shade/gradient: Pros: - unnatural and natural bases would avoid each other - genetics would make sense and stay organized Cons: - some breeding projects may go to shit, but not NEARLY as many as if iridecent became a color - the line between unnatural and nature is debatable Tell me if I forgot something and I'll add it to the list  0 players like this post! Like? |
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fortmax (#91111)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 13:32:38 |
Completely agreeing with Wolfie, as I already have through Myriad and I's shared points. (Thank you, Wolfie, for putting it into specific, easy-to-understand points.) Some other cons of making Iridescent an entirely new group! - It's much easier to MAKE PLAYERS HAPPY as a shade than by making it a color. Listen, I guarantee you that the majority of people voting for 'group' do not understand how deeply this will affect them and affect the game. It will be a lot easier to make people happy by making it still possible for their Red Light Solid Special that is now Red Light Solid Iridescent to produce Red Light Solid Specials, than for them to have an entirely new color of Iridescent Light Solid Special that will throw them random crap fails. - THIS MAKES IT EASIER FOR NATURAL AND UNNATURAL BREEDERS. If your base is suddenly decided to be in another group, it's hard to replace all of your lions- not so hard when it's just the shade! Seriously! - Repeating Wolfie's point, because it's so important: the line between natural and unnatural is debatable. I don't agree that Nuummite is iridescent- it's not shiny nor does it fit the definition of iridescent, it just has specks. Do you think that everyone agrees with me? No! Do you think that people will be upset if they do/don't agree with me, and their opinion isn't validated? Hell yes! In conclusion: - sorry for all of the fonts - here's some more - MODS PLEASE REGARD THIS THREAD HIGHLY, WE ACTUALLY READ AND CONSIDERED THE IDEA AND DIDN'T JUST VOTE BLINDLY, THANKS 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 12/11/17 @ 13:33:43 by fortmax (#91111) |
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Doggy (#60955)
Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 13:38:38 |
Excellent points, Fortmax. Thanks for going into more detail and giving examples and I entirely agree with you when you say that some people don't know how deeply this could affect the game. I've talked to people who didn't understand genetics and regret what they voted for, so you're very right. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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fortmax (#91111)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 13:41:13 |
I'm seeing a LOT of "I don't understand genetics yet, but I'm voting for new group!", and, like, again. We've all been newbies. All of us. I had a Blazing stud for nearly a year and wondered why he never gave me a single Blazing cub, only to realize, finally, that oh! Those shades DO matter! Please, please inform yourselves. It's ok to not know now, and it's ok to admit that you don't know a lot about genetics- the wiki has an AMAZING page on Genetics, and last time I checked, it even had a genetics calculator free to use! It's ok to NOT vote, too, if you aren't sure- just, idk...please don't go into this blindly? 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Doggy (#60955)
Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 13:42:55 |
Agree 100%. There's no shame in not knowing. I feel like the pressure to vote is just getting to some people. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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fortmax (#91111)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 13:46:01 |
In a good note, the total right now is pretty evenly split- taking into consideration the incredible outpouring of support for Shade here, I feel like we slightly tip the scales. I'm just hoping for the best, here. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Doggy (#60955)
Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 13:57:30 |
It’s kinda weird how when it come to discussions, there’s a vast majority of people fore shade, but in the polls, color is winning. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Snowcat13-G1 Ice-6 cimm (#52694)
Dreamboat of Ladies View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 13:59:47 |
I wish they had a "neither" option in that poll. Between the two shading is better, but I don't want it to change at all. Honestly don't understand why if people don't like certain colors they can't just not breed to a group/shade that might give it to them. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Doggy (#60955)
Divine View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 14:01:21 |
Agreed, Snowcat. Personally, I’m happy with how it is now, but I do want to help out the natural and unnatural breeders who aren’t. 0 players like this post! Like? |
Alma (#7695)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 14:54:14 |
As the one who created this system and who sorted and created a majority of the common and many special bases, I, STRONGLY urge the dev's to designate Iridescent as a gradient and not a color group. As a color group, this suggestion will assuredly cause unnecessary stress and complicate if not destroy the intuitive nature of the current system. Part of what I was most proud of when my model was implemented was how user-friendly it was for players, and I'm afraid that if we cram blue/purple bases alongside red/pink and even green, we'll lose the common-sense appeal I worked so hard to create. I can't stress how much I hate this possibility. As a gradient, Iridescent actually makes sense (even by definition). Furthermore, it allows players the benefit of avoiding or focusing on Iridescent colors causing minimal disruption to players' current projects. It also avoids unbalancing the basic Black/Cream vs Red/Golden relationships that aid in sorting. Although I like my system the way it is, I feel that this new gradient will be necessary soon enough as more bases are added. I implore the dev's to PLEASE think about the concerns those of us who have really thought about the ramifications of making this a color group and weigh them more heavily than a simple knee-jerk poll. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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fortmax (#91111)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 14:57:15 |
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💎⭐ Kiita ⭐💎 (#85179)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 15:02:00 |
I agree with what others have said on this page so far... Wolfie, Fortmax, Snowcat, Alma, and everyone else who has expressed that this idea would work better as a shading/gradient group or not at all, as opposed to adding a whole new color/genetics group. I've already said pretty much what I had to say about it and don't have anything to really add to the whole debate, other than... Well, I agree. It will screw over so many players in so many ways, hence why I said before that it will basically break the game if it's added. I am not convinced that most of the people who voted on the other poll are going to understand the gravity and full impact of what they are voting for either. If it has to happen then we will have no choice but I seriously hope it doesn't. ;n; 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Berenos|On hiatus (#84593)
Resurgent View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 15:09:54 |
As a personal opinion, I think most people were blindsided by the possibility of boosts from the new color group and didn't give it much thought before voting for that one. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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fortmax (#91111)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 15:12:30 |
Yeah, the concept of 'boosts' kind of confused me, and I have a pretty good grasp of genetics. It would have confused me even more if I didn't know a lot of what it was talking about, aside from that. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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💎⭐ Kiita ⭐💎 (#85179)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2017-11-12 15:13:00 |
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