-LOCKED - Discussion: Raffle Lionesses
Posted on 2024-08-05 08:57:00
We are aware of some issues that the community has been voicing with the raffle lioness system, with some complaints including it being difficult to pass on raffle-exclusive traits, raffle lionesses going to inactive accounts, and so on. We have had our own discussion among the developers and would now like to present a discussion where the community can provide feedback on the ideas we have outlined below regarding how the system can be modified, and possibly even give their own ideas if they aren't already covered.

We will be closely monitoring this topic to record feedback, which we will then use for an upcoming site poll.


New Features Being Implemented

We have some features that will be added regardless of feedback within a future update:

New Features We May Implement


* Adjusting the raffle lioness system so that only players who have been active in the last two days (so Wednesdays onward) will have a chance to win when the raffle lioness is pulled
* Sending an email notification to the player who won the weekly raffle lioness


New Features We're Considering/Discussing

These are features we have had ideas for, or have found in the Game Development forums, and would like to see which of the following would be most preferred.

** 1. Storing raffle lioness designs and releasing them slowly through explore.
Essentially, this would mean creating multiple copies of the same raffle lioness to be slow-dripped into the game through the claiming system. They would work as chased lionesses, so only kings with Average impression or higher could find them. This would likely come with a failsafe so that if the lioness fails to be claimed, she goes back into the chased pool so another player has a chance to claim her. All raffle lionesses are made with the Nurturing (Good) personality, so raffle lionesses released through the claiming system would display the Good pose.

The first week, Raffle Lioness 1 is pulled and sent to the winner, and Raffle Lioness 2 is put up to be impressed. The second week, Raffle Lioness 2 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 3 is put up to be impressed, and a clone of Raffle Lioness 1 is put into the chased lioness pool in explore. The third week, Raffle Lioness 3 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 4 is put up to be impressed, and clones of Raffle Lionesses 1 and 2 are put into the chased pool in explore. This repeats up to a maximum of 9 clones, making for 10 total lionesses with the same design.

A graph to show the overall release schedule for raffle lionesses through explore.
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** 2. Releasing an identical replica raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness.
The stud would have the exact same traits as the raffle lioness, but rather than being delivered to a winner's territory, a select amount of players (between 20-50) would win the ability to breed with him. This would work similarly to August's event studs in that items could not be used on the stud for breeding. We also considered, if implementing replica studs, to allow all players to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but lock weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 3. Implementing raffle studs in general.
An alternative to releasing an identical replica raffle stud would be releasing a raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness who may share similar traits, e.g. if a raffle lioness is releasing a brand new eye colour, the raffle stud that week would have that eye colour as well, or if she is releasing a brand new raffle marking, the raffle stud that week would have that marking as well (either in the same slot, or a different slot). Breedings to this stud would also be limited to 20-50 players weekly, and items would not be allowed. This would also come with all players being able to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but locking weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 4. Releasing more than one raffle lioness per week.
This would either be multiple identical copies of the same raffle lioness, or up to 3 different raffle lionesses at once who would share some of the same traits, but not be identical.


** 5. Releasing recreated copies of previous raffle lionesses who are on banned/closed accounts.
This would be making a replica of the raffle lioness to raffle off through the official raffle system. The original raffle lioness would stay on the same account. This is specifically only for permanently suspended accounts, and accounts that have been closed—not inactive accounts that are not suspended/closed.


** 6. Allow the weekly raffle lioness to be impressed daily instead of once weekly for higher chances of winning, therefore rewarding more active players.
The weekly raffle lioness would still be available for a full week as usual, but daily impression attempts will add up and give a greater chance at winning her as compared to only one attempt per week (how it currently works).


** 7. Add a second raffle lioness for players who have rolled over at least 365 times in total (not consecutively), with potentially more unique traits than a standard Dreamboat raffle lioness.
Players who have rolled over 365 or more times would have the ability to impress both the standard Dreamboat raffle lioness, as well as a second raffle lioness that is only available to accounts with 365+ total rollovers.





We may mix-and-match some of the options, but we will be polling the community on these options regardless.

If you have any ideas or suggestions that were not listed above, we would appreciate your input and highly encourage you to provide a detailed response within this news post!

We will be deleting any comments that do not actually contribute to the discussion.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:34:29 by Katze (#3)

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2024-08-05 12:31:37
@Icarus (#97414): I just wanted to mention, regarding the "deactivated accounts can no longer request activation"—closing an account is not the same as deactivating an account. Deactivating an account just means changing the email address connected to an account, but it can always be reactivated by logging into the account and entering an activation code. Closed accounts are stripped of all information about the person who created it, and when a person asks for their account to be closed, it completely shuts it down and prevents it from ever being accessed again (you can't log into it, you can't view it, etc.). Closed accounts can never be restored or logged into. This is how the account closing system has always worked, because it's meant to be an option for people who would like their personal data cleared from a website they are no longer active on (like how you can request on other websites to delete your personal data and accounts from their systems). The idea for re-releasing recreations of raffle lionesses only extends to permanently suspended accounts and closed accounts. Raffle lionesses on deactivated and inactive accounts are excluded from this, since the players can always come back to the game (edited in this bold part for additional clarity).



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 12:34:54 by Katze (#3)

Loki (#440689)

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2024-08-05 12:32:52
While I do like the idea of raffle studs and reviving closed RLs, I feel like requiring a year’s worth of rollovers is way too gatekeepish. However, I do like the idea of like an extra snazzy RL for veteran players, though I worry that this will mean that the normal RLs will start to decrease in quality/beauty. Like many others are saying, I dislike the idea of making it even easier to get RLs, since they are special and should be difficult to obtain, while still giving everyone a ONE WEEK chance. Also impressing her several times does sound promising, honestly but then again 50 sb every day is a lot… idk, I have very mixed feelings.



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AL - Beetle
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2024-08-05 12:33:14
1. Storing raffle lioness designs and releasing them slowly through explore.
I'm personally against this idea IF the design is an exact duplicate of a raffle lioness.

Some of the excitement of getting a raffle lioness would be getting a one of kind lioness and getting to do with them as you please. If we want duplicates of an RL, I think people should have to do breeding projects to obtain them with traits made available by some of the other suggestions. it would be great to distribute traits, not more clones.

Love the idea of explore-unique special lionesses being released though! Their picture could be shown in the same special lioness page, and people could go crazy exploring and looking for her. It rewards the active players without "cheapening" the reward for the RL winner.
Edit: After reading the previous feedback replies, I agree that this would be a very p2w aspect of the game that has the potential to add more FOMO and burnout if added.

It would be great if a special artwork/message appeared during the claim screen so players knew she was something remarkable. Maybe something simple like an aura decor effect applied on top of the art, and a message like "There's something special about this lioness."

It would be extra awesome if claiming the Explore Special Lioness also triggered the "Won Her Heart" challenger achievement. That achievement seems pretty much impossible through "effort" at the moment!


2. Releasing an identical replica raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness.
3. Implementing raffle studs in general.

A raffle stud/studs sounds great! It would make more possible to kick off breeding projects to remake an RL, rather than "cheapening" the RL by just tossing them whole out in explore. I'm in favor of variant studs that at least share the base.

In the case of a month-specific combo base RL like Constellation/Mistletoe/Pulsar/Temporal/Witch, maybe passing the base+some traits from the stud should be possible when they are offered so that breeding projects using the resulting cubs can be possible the rest of the year?


 4. Releasing more than one raffle lioness per week.
Yes please! That "Won Her Heart" challenger achievement is pretty much impossible otherwise I'm in favor of variants in this case, with labels so people can still identify which RL is being discussed.


5. Releasing recreated copies of previous raffle lionesses who are on banned/closed accounts.
Yes please!!


6. Allow the weekly raffle lioness to be impressed daily instead of once weekly for higher chances of winning, therefore rewarding more active players.
I am against this. One of the beautiful things about Lioden is that it doesn't penalize players too much for being busy (the R.O. system is fantastic for this reason).


7. Add a second raffle lioness for players who have rolled over at least 365 times in total (not consecutively), with potentially more unique traits than a standard Dreamboat raffle lioness
Yes please!! An additional and unique raffle lioness is always welcome! Love the idea that players who have played longer could be rewarded with an even more "valuable" RL if they win.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 13:48:44 by AL - Beetle Collection Fanatic (#390986)

Kro [G2 Rift] he/him (#342381)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 12:33:17
I can already smell the displeasure from RLC / RL collectors by the suggestions listed in the post alone. Despite this, I do really think the RL system needs to have some changes regardless of what they are. I have been playing since 2019 (from my original account) and have not gotten one RLC or RL despite countless kings etc. and I am someone who loves to collect pretty lionesses, RLC or not!

Personally, I think that the Raffle Stud idea is THE BEST possible way to go around this, however, I do agree that there needs to be some kind of limit regarding player activity / giving people who are more active a higher chance of winning the RL. I also think that pooling RLCs into explored as chased would be really cooll, and bringing RLs back from dead accounts would be cool!

My main concern is toxicity from RL and RLC collectors / players, as I have seen all too much of it as of late and in general. (This is not me saying that ALL of those players are bad people, because that is definitely not true). It is unavoidable as RLs are basically trophies and a free ticket to getting rich in terms of Lioden currency and popularity, and it makes that side of the community very clique-y.

That's really my only thoughts on this post, I am really glad that the Devs and admins are taking notice to what's been going on and want to help fix it. I honestly like all the ideas!



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Samzo (#471274)

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2024-08-05 12:35:42
I want to add to my earlier point that if you want to reward older players specifically, then sure, the 365 deal is fine. However, if you want to reward _current activity_ that would prevent people with old accounts from logging in, getting the lioness, and then disappearing again, making the requirement something like ”you have to have rolled over x amount of times within the last month” or so would work better and include newer but still active players. That would reward being active recently, and, depending on how many days is in the requirement, allow some leeway for active players who miss random days here or there due to work, natural disasters, or other such things!



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Kro [G2 Rift] he/him (#342381)

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2024-08-05 12:39:11
To add onto my thoughts about this discussion, a huge problem I have with the game is that it is consistently difficult to make money UNLESS you have an active RL / RLC line, hybrids, or tons of time to collect valuable items to resell. I like to breed pretty lions, but unless they have BO traits or raffle traits, they don't go for much. I think that the admins and devs should also think of ways they can improve upon an economy already heavily dominated only by those lucky enough to get RLs and RLCs along with the suggestions proposed here.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 12:39:52 by Kro [G2 Rift] he/him (#342381)

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2024-08-05 12:40:07
I'm in favor of 3, 4, 5, and 7.
these all seem like great ideas, but some may implement more clones, which might bring down their value a bit (this is just how I understood it, I just woke up so my brains' a bit fuzzy still)

3,
3 seems like a great idea, making it accessable to newer players to stud to a RL, and giving the chance of a NRLC, or if they're lucky, an RLC. I think this is a great idea, and making it so people can't use items, lowers the chance of having a bajillion of the same RLC's running around in tc

4
more RL's would be great, but I feel like 3 of the same RLs would be weird, I personally think 3 different rls being released at the same time would be nice, that's all I have to say about it :)

5
a great idea, I don't have much to say about it, except for two things, maybe that we could do something like dead RLs being revived through this instead?
and that some people stoer their Rls/RLCs on side accounts to keep them frozen, I personally have RLCs on my side, and it's just for a friend until they have to items to breed said lioness.

and 7's already good, I have nothing to comment on in that area


(sorry if this didn't make sense, it's just my fuzzy-brained perspective)



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2024-08-05 12:45:16
Not a fan of multiples or explore, as the value is already low. but the studs, time limit, limited edition, and recreated is good!



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2024-08-05 12:47:06
honestly i have been a consistent player for over 2 years now and have seen the RL market continuously evolve into a pretty toxic environment, i think new updates are definitely warranted as the user base & economy for this game is always expanding + changing. this can be a wonderful thing if planned properly! people will always be afraid of change so it can be a little jarring at first but it’s definitely time for some new updates.

the biggest issue in the RL realm is the fact that RLs are released with new exclusive traits from devs that are meant to be spread amongst the community but since it’s only 1 person who wins weekly it’s ultimately up to the winner on what they want to do with that lioness so that has developed into people complaining if the winner wants to keep her completely hoarded and private (which they have the right too since they won her) but it leaves others who might LOVE the new traits and want to incorporate them into projects completely shit out of luck which isn’t really fair in my eyes.

the specialness of an entire RL should be for that one person who wins her, but certain traits should definitely be able to have more access too.

i really like ideas #3, #5, & #7! if tweaked and truly executed in a good way i feel like it could have a good impact on the game, and in the RL realm hopefully.

arguably #7 might be my favorite because it just gives a little reward/thank you to the veteran players that have played for years and attributed to keeping the game afloat! it’s only 365 days (not consecutively) so it’s not like it’s completely unattainable, it just takes some effort which isn’t much if you enjoy and play this game whenever you can. i guarantee when someone finally meets that requirement and can try their chance they will be utilizing that feature. since it would be always be there, it’s like an incentive to meet that goal!

anywho, it’s completely up to the developers and what they want to do with their game but i just appreciate them trying to come up with solutions to certain aspects!

thank you devs 🙌🏼



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 12:47:33 by shelbee 🐝 (#341561)

Novigender.being (#282912)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 12:47:10
I like option 5, 6 and 7



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2024-08-05 12:47:28
As someone who played a lot in the past and has recently come back, I'm glad to see this discussion taking place! I've never won any of the RLs, and while I'd LOVE to see some of them in explore, I agree with shenanigans that it would feel less special.

That being said, bringing back RLs from closed accounts either as raffles or chased lionesses would be really awesome to see, or if RLs from a long time ago, possibly ones who don't have clones or aren't already floating in the market, coming back as Chased would be cool as well.

Implementing raffle studs would be very cool, especially if only a small amount of players would actually get to breed with them. This keeps the experience unique and special.

Having raffles won only by players who are active is also hugely important. I don't know about the 365 rollovers, that number seems like a lot and if it were implemented then new players wouldn't be able to participate. Maybe everyone could have a chance, but players with 365 rollovers get an extra chance to impress the RL?

It would be nice to see something done so that longtime players, who have never won an RL, could have a better chance at getting one. I don't know what that would look like or how it would work, but it would be nice to see the people who have been here and supporting the site to get something back.

Whatever is decided, I'm just happy this discussion is happening, as I'm sure many others are as well.



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2024-08-05 12:49:59
Definitely a fan of 1, 2, 3, and 5.

1: is a nice way for avid explorers to get a chance at a rare lioness and encourages gameplay.

2/3: I like the idea of studs a lot. Plus it could help with the harassment that players who win a RL face.

5: I’m sure many of us in the community would love for these inaccessible/extinct lionesses to be revived and available again



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Chaos!! (#456574)

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2024-08-05 12:51:45
I LOVE #390986 ‘s idea of explore exclusive special lionesses!! That sounds so awesome!!



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2024-08-05 12:52:04
I heavily dislike the idea of the chased lioness, as that somewhat ruins the idea of having a raffle in the first place. Perhaps overhaul NCLs for that idea, perhaps releasing dreamboat-only NCL markings and bases and such? Being either tier 2, or a new tier in and of itself.

Everything else is very nice, although my favorite is the Raffle Stud.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 12:54:09 by 紅葉狩り || ravenkhor (#270475)

Bellaizy_ (#427529)

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2024-08-05 12:52:13
I personally really like 1# 6# and 7# tho, especially with the two latter I can see why people have voiced their concern on those solutions



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