-LOCKED - Discussion: Raffle Lionesses
Posted on 2024-08-05 08:57:00
We are aware of some issues that the community has been voicing with the raffle lioness system, with some complaints including it being difficult to pass on raffle-exclusive traits, raffle lionesses going to inactive accounts, and so on. We have had our own discussion among the developers and would now like to present a discussion where the community can provide feedback on the ideas we have outlined below regarding how the system can be modified, and possibly even give their own ideas if they aren't already covered.

We will be closely monitoring this topic to record feedback, which we will then use for an upcoming site poll.


New Features Being Implemented

We have some features that will be added regardless of feedback within a future update:

New Features We May Implement


* Adjusting the raffle lioness system so that only players who have been active in the last two days (so Wednesdays onward) will have a chance to win when the raffle lioness is pulled
* Sending an email notification to the player who won the weekly raffle lioness


New Features We're Considering/Discussing

These are features we have had ideas for, or have found in the Game Development forums, and would like to see which of the following would be most preferred.

** 1. Storing raffle lioness designs and releasing them slowly through explore.
Essentially, this would mean creating multiple copies of the same raffle lioness to be slow-dripped into the game through the claiming system. They would work as chased lionesses, so only kings with Average impression or higher could find them. This would likely come with a failsafe so that if the lioness fails to be claimed, she goes back into the chased pool so another player has a chance to claim her. All raffle lionesses are made with the Nurturing (Good) personality, so raffle lionesses released through the claiming system would display the Good pose.

The first week, Raffle Lioness 1 is pulled and sent to the winner, and Raffle Lioness 2 is put up to be impressed. The second week, Raffle Lioness 2 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 3 is put up to be impressed, and a clone of Raffle Lioness 1 is put into the chased lioness pool in explore. The third week, Raffle Lioness 3 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 4 is put up to be impressed, and clones of Raffle Lionesses 1 and 2 are put into the chased pool in explore. This repeats up to a maximum of 9 clones, making for 10 total lionesses with the same design.

A graph to show the overall release schedule for raffle lionesses through explore.
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** 2. Releasing an identical replica raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness.
The stud would have the exact same traits as the raffle lioness, but rather than being delivered to a winner's territory, a select amount of players (between 20-50) would win the ability to breed with him. This would work similarly to August's event studs in that items could not be used on the stud for breeding. We also considered, if implementing replica studs, to allow all players to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but lock weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 3. Implementing raffle studs in general.
An alternative to releasing an identical replica raffle stud would be releasing a raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness who may share similar traits, e.g. if a raffle lioness is releasing a brand new eye colour, the raffle stud that week would have that eye colour as well, or if she is releasing a brand new raffle marking, the raffle stud that week would have that marking as well (either in the same slot, or a different slot). Breedings to this stud would also be limited to 20-50 players weekly, and items would not be allowed. This would also come with all players being able to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but locking weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 4. Releasing more than one raffle lioness per week.
This would either be multiple identical copies of the same raffle lioness, or up to 3 different raffle lionesses at once who would share some of the same traits, but not be identical.


** 5. Releasing recreated copies of previous raffle lionesses who are on banned/closed accounts.
This would be making a replica of the raffle lioness to raffle off through the official raffle system. The original raffle lioness would stay on the same account. This is specifically only for permanently suspended accounts, and accounts that have been closed—not inactive accounts that are not suspended/closed.


** 6. Allow the weekly raffle lioness to be impressed daily instead of once weekly for higher chances of winning, therefore rewarding more active players.
The weekly raffle lioness would still be available for a full week as usual, but daily impression attempts will add up and give a greater chance at winning her as compared to only one attempt per week (how it currently works).


** 7. Add a second raffle lioness for players who have rolled over at least 365 times in total (not consecutively), with potentially more unique traits than a standard Dreamboat raffle lioness.
Players who have rolled over 365 or more times would have the ability to impress both the standard Dreamboat raffle lioness, as well as a second raffle lioness that is only available to accounts with 365+ total rollovers.





We may mix-and-match some of the options, but we will be polling the community on these options regardless.

If you have any ideas or suggestions that were not listed above, we would appreciate your input and highly encourage you to provide a detailed response within this news post!

We will be deleting any comments that do not actually contribute to the discussion.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:34:29 by Katze (#3)

Maro 🇵🇱 (G2
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Posted on
2024-08-05 12:54:32
I am really happy reading about these ideas! I know raffle lionesses were meant to be something unique and so special, but one special lady for so many players (especially when lioden became more popular in last years) in too frustrating!
I play since beginning of 2019 and honestly, I didn't think I'd be able to ever get the raffle lioness. The chance is just too low, and therefore, I thought I just have to accept that I'd never get all achievements, no matter how much time I put in this game. And I spend REALLY much time here!

Breeding lethals, hybrids and getting other rare things like interstellar or solaris is really hard, but player's decisions and effort have the meaning in this process. You can do mass CRB breedings or explore A LOT. Raffle lionesses are something we don't have any impact on. We just click the button and wait. The only thing we can do is to raise the impression level really fast to not lose any week. That's why I think these adjustments are a GREAT IDEA and I am sooooo thankful they are considered!

I really like the idea of raffle stud. He and the special lioness could be siblings that are looking for different things. She is looking to join a pride and change her life, settle down... and her brother just wants fun

Chased RLCs sound cool too. I personally can't decide which idea I like more. But a thought that new markings would spread faster and things will be available for more people makes me so happy.
I remember when I had no idea about raffle trait suggestion forum topic and I really needed stratosphere undertone on a certain slot. People were hoarding this marking like it was about their life or death, and they were SO MEAN about such little thing. I just wanted to have a nice dark lion with pretty undertone that matches my project slots!!

Another story about looking for a certain marking- I looked for something and there were only 2 people in game having such lions. I messaged them and told them to reply no matter when they log in. And the person messaged me after almost a year

The idea of additional raffle lionesses and to be able to participate in raffles only for active players makes me so hopeful and happy. I hope more special traits and pretty lions will be available to claim for more people, and I hope everything will be easier and less frustrating now :D


Another suggestion:
The raffle lioness mechanic doesn't change (except only active players can participate),
but previously released raffle lionesses appear as NPCs you can do quests for. They need help with something, they need items, they need a player to fight NPCs for them or just something similar to dating in Wolvden.
Each week, there would be 3 or 4 different random raffle lionesses from previous weeks, and their pictures would be like our heir picture in dens. There would be a flirty or encouraging quote under every portrait. When a player reaches the full reputation (and it doesn't happen in one week, he would have to do many quests for her when she appears, and we never know when it happens again because its random)-they get an opportunity to claim her ONE TIME. This way every player would have a chance to get every raffle lioness (but after putting MUCH effort in that!)
The lionesses could be older, like 6-7 years old- so the special lioness of the current week is still a great claim and better deal.

What do you think about this concept?






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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 13:12:48 by Maro 🇵🇱 (13xBreed only) (#167078)

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2024-08-05 12:54:53
Seeing as there's many people opposing the #1 idea, how about a slight change - release not Copies of the raffle lioness in explore, but something like Wenet cousins? Similar lionesses with less special traits, BUT present newly relesed BO traits - and other traits rolled randomly, like they do for Wenet cousins. That way, it will add an even greater degree of fun into finding them - never know what one might be! It would be exciting and cool thing to hunt down in explore. While not actually threatening the uniqueness of the original Raffle lioness, they'd be similar, but not copies - rolled randomly with few preset things, like Wenet cousins.

I still think it should be Dreamboat only thing, though. It would be weird raffle is available for Dreamboats only BUT her cousins are less picky starting at Average?



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 12:57:01 by Mad Hyena (#29080)

Fire 🔥 🇵🇸 (#35734)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 12:55:34
I do not support RLs being released in explore, but I love the idea of raffle studs.
I think #6 is a terrible idea because it creates priority and makes the raffle unfair if for some reason people cannot roll every day. #7 being a separate raffle isn't that bad.

Overall I think raffle studs are the best solution.



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2024-08-05 12:55:45
Ok so here's my suggestion after some thought: You know how event markings work? Well, do something similar with RLs. During the week a certain RL is available, her markings and other traits can be obtained through claiming lionesses as if they were lionesses with event markings. These NCLs may have 1 to 3 traits shared with the current RL. That way even though we still risk the RL becoming unavailable for any reason, the traits are still out there for recreation or any other purposes such as other projects, instead of the traits themselves being lost forever. This also ensures the RL will still be unique and there's not a bunch of people winning the same RL. I feel like this would solve the issue while still keeping the RLs value.



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Posted on
2024-08-05 12:58:18
Personally, I would love the chance to find them in explore



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 12:58:59 by second coming of RAGAN! (#235705)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 13:00:33
After a lot of thought, I'd love to see points 3 and 4 be implemented out of everything listed. It keeps RLs rare/special, but makes it less likely that the RL/BOs/markings of the week will be lost. The Raffle Studs would be a great way to reintroduce lost/rare BOs/marks slowly back into the population.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 13:12:21 by DesertPard (G2 DorsalFur RLC) (#147400)

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2024-08-05 13:01:52
Love the idea of Ryou🧡🤍🩷|G1
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as i stated before, just release ncl with some tier 2 features, indeed release ncl with 2-4 traits of the the RL instead of multiple. because what the point even of a RL if its not a rl but also a ncl.



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2024-08-05 13:01:55
I vote 1, 2, 3 , 4, 5, 6, 7.



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2024-08-05 13:01:56
I love the idea of Raffle studs, and potentially 4-5 players being able to win a stud opportunity, whilst keeping the RL special and unique.



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2024-08-05 13:02:24
I literally love all of these ideas! These would be so awesome to see in game! Love the thought of multiple raffle lionesses and raffle studs and finding them in explore the most though !



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 13:03:08 by 。*゚ Dawn 。*゚8m hibisc deadal (#354515)

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2024-08-05 13:05:06
I think everything sounds awesome but I'm not sure about the explore RL idea



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☀moonless☀ (#234246)

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2024-08-05 13:06:48
As of now, the idea of Raffle Studs sounds best to me.
It would solve the biggest problem with RLs right now, completely new traits (bases, eyes, markings) and re-released marking slots (or maybe even re-RE-released slots) landing on dead or inactive accounts, or being privated by the RL winner. I think many people miss the point that RLs are released to spread new (or old extinct) traits to the community and it's not all about winning a fancy looking lion. An RL not being able to spread their traits defeats their entire purpose.

However, releasing old and new traits on a chased RL sounds nice if changed up, too.
Chasing a 1 to 1 copy of an RL would make the OG RL feel way less special, so I propose a "RL Sister" system instead.
These "sisters" would share the unique traits of the OG RL, such as new (non - combo) bases, eyes, marking slots or maybe even unique eye+ skin or mane combos. BUT they would be missing other non- unique traits, most of the community view an RLC with at least 8-9 shared traits as an actual RLC, so this could be a nice hand rule for the sisters as well.
Sisters would have maybe around 5 markings instead of the full 10, instead of Combo bases they would have factor bases (example, last weeks RL was a Madagascar, so a sister of her could have the Sapela base instead), instead of the same base they could have a rare base in the same genetics category (unless it's a very new Raffle base), instead of combo eyes they would have factors and so on, BUT would always share unique traits of the OG RL.

An example!
This is the 09.30.22 Orchid RL, currently sitting on a very dead account with 0 clones.

I'm currently working on rebreeding her and that's fine by me! If you really like an extinct RL, nothing stops you from trying to rebreed her, until you have to deal with extinct slots. Currently 3 of her marking slots are only on lions on inactive/frozen accounts while 1 of her slots was completely unique to her and is yet to be re-released on another RL.
So, this is how some of her RL Sisters could look like!



All of them share the important slots with the OG RL (Slot 1,6,8 and 10) but are otherwise unique on their own, having a base switched for the same genetics as Orchid, another extra marking(s) or a fail eye color of Briar. These are very simple variations you can make in like a minute, so it wouldn't be a huge workload to make sisters for other RL's either. Like this, while these lions wouldnt be full RLs, they would still feel special on their own.

My idea is that once a RL is drawn, one or more sister is released into the chased pool in company with a sister of an old RL, but I suppose there is a loot of room for variation here.
Devs already mentioned they want an indicator and/or failsave when you have a special chased like this on your claiming screen, so the chance for these lions to be mistaken as regular chased wouldn't be a problem as well! Maybe they could have their own unique decor they come with as well (like the Leopard Orchid) instead of Raffle Backgrounds, a sparkly flower crown perhaps?



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 13:14:54 by ☀moonless☀ (#234246)

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2024-08-05 13:10:28
How exciting! I like all these ideas, but I would like the impressionable lionesss clones to appear only to Dreamboat males. Special things are special because they're limited, and they lose their fun if they're more accessible to less experienced players. In short, more play should be more-rewarded.

Thanks for involving us in the developments. You guys are the best!



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2024-08-05 13:17:05
This would be really cool but how would you know if it’s a rl chased or just a chased?



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