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| Posted by | Cracking The Rosette Code? |
 🐆 faerie {FROZEN - DM SIDE!} (#112180) 
View Forum Posts  Posted on 2017-05-24 15:44:52 |
According to the Wiki, "Rosettes seem to be the most popular marking on Lioden currently, due to the mysterious nature of how they're passed on, and the fact that they can randomly pop up in any breeding. There are tons of user theories and conspiracies floating around regarding how Rosette works, but nobody truly knows—the code has yet to be cracked." This could be taken to imply that they are truly random ("the fact that they can randomly pop up in any breeding"), but it can also imply that there is, in fact, a code ("the code has yet to be cracked"). ----- Exhibit A: Cream Rosette Mother was chased, but had the following: Base: Cream (White Nose) Mane Type: Normal Mane Color: Brown Eye Color: Grey Slot 1: Onyx Ripple Slot 2: Chocolate Top Slot 6: Feline 7 Black Dad had the following: Base: Silver Grey (White Nose) Mane Type: Sideburn Mane Color: Lilac Eye Color: Lavender Slot 1: Feline 1 Dark Brown Slot 2: White Tips Slot 3: Feline 2 Onyx Slot 4: Feline 6 Onyx Slot 5: Feline 4 Onyx Slot 6: Feline 1 Onyx Slot 8: White Undercoat Slot 9: Feline 3 Onyx Slot 10: Onyx Lace ----- Exhibit B: Gold Rosette Mom had the following: Base: Dark Vanilla (Fallow Nose) Mane Type: Diabolic Mane Color: Lilac Eye Color: Pink Slot 1: Brown Mask Slot 4: Feline 6 Dark Brown Slot 5: Feline 4 Onyx Dad had the following: Base: Blush Rose (White Nose) Mane Type: Diabolic Mane Color: Manakbir Eye Color: Peach Slot 1: Feline 7 Ginger Slot 2: Feline 1 Black Slot 3: Rose Pelage Slot 4: Maroon Pelage Slot 5: Onyx Lace Slot 6: Feline 4 Silver Slot 7: Feline 2 Ginger Slot 8: White Panther Slot 9: Under White 4 Slot 10: Feline 3 Onyx ----- Exhibit C: Brown Rosette Mom had the following: Base: Dun (White Nose) Mane Type: Tsavo Mane Color: Maroon Eye Color: White Slot 1: White Cobweb Slot 6: Vitiligo 3 Slot 7: Vitiligo 2 Slot 9: Vitiligo 4 Dad had the Following: Base: Onyx (Brown Nose) Mane Type: Savage Mane Color: Unholy Eye Color: Saffron Slot 4: Feline 6 Onyx Slot 5: Feline 2 Onyx Slot 6: Feline 1 Onyx Slot 7: Feline 7 Onyx Slot 8: Feline 5 Onyx Slot 9: Feline 3 Onyx Slot 10: Feline 4 Onyx Do you see a pattern? I do. Every. Single. Father. Has. At. Least. One. Feline. Marking. See it? Maybe parents with Feline markings produce rosettes, but it's rare. Credit: Empress Tansy (#54105)  7 players like this post! Like? Edited on 02/09/18 @ 10:03:23 by starfruit [with a lowercase s] (#112180) |
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AScreamingGay (it/its)[G2 Pie] (#95247)
Sapphic View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 03:38:49 |
Idk if this is useful but I had a random Briar Shaded Rosette Gon born from parents who had the following markings: Mother: Slot 1: Goridhe Rosette (100%) Tier 4 Slot 2: Bloodbourne Siamese (35%) Tier 3 Slot 3: Bone Mottled Vents (100%) Tier 6 Slot 4: Clay Panther (37%) Tier 2 Slot 5: Shaded Brown (30%) Tier 3 Slot 7: Under White 4 (100%) Tier 0 Slot 8: Mottled Stripes (100%) Tier 5 Slot 9: White Genteel (100%) Tier 1 Slot 10: White Beard (100%) Tier 1 Father: Slot 1: Feline 7 Silky (50%) Tier 2 Slot 2: Bone Soft Unders (100%) Tier 2 Slot 3: Bushveld Indri (50%) Tier 2 Slot 4: Feline 9 Silky (40%) Tier 2 Slot 5: Feline 4 Silky (80%) Tier 2 Slot 6: White Lace (50%) Tier 2 Slot 7: Bushveld Margay (100%) Tier 2 Slot 8: Silky Underfelt (100%) Tier 2 Slot 9: Bushveld Panther (100%) Tier 2 Slot 10: White Rims (100%) Tier 2 The slot with the rosette (S13) is not occupied on either parent. Mother does have a mane marking, so if that is the criteria for shaded rosette it would make sense! 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Quit (#412633)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 05:59:19 |
Someone in chat mentioned their king (bushveld base) sired random rosettes, all of which were bushveld colored. Looking back at it, my former queen which sired 2 random rosettes had goridhe base, and both the rosettes were from bases/colors which were in that group (fiery and ginger, golden medium countershaded). The fiery inverted soft rosette's mother was also goridhe with no marking in that slot. I'd like to suggest that maybe the parent's base factors in aswell as markings. I think we can mostly confirm that different rosette shapes depend on different things, but what about colors? 0 players like this post! Like? |
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nebula/ferrous 💫 (#434371)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 06:01:06 |
i had that idea too i was looking through random rosettes on search, and there was an onyx ros who had a parent who was ebony and a goridhe ros who had a maziwa parent 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Quit (#412633)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 06:03:51 |
Maybe base genetics factor in? I remember having a noctis shaded ros, slot 10, sired by my former queen and one of my lionesses who I believe has rust base. I don't know if shaded rosettes are a different case, but I figured it's worth mentioning 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Ramune [15 BO Jelly] (#46341)
Astral View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 06:04:24 |
My Maziwa was bred to a jellyfish (gold and black base genetics!) and popped a random red heavy rosette.  So not sure if it’s kind of a “leading” factor but not a set in stone thing? Bushveld rosettes were announced to have its own unique factor that none others did before it! So I can definitely see colors being a necessary factor there. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Quit (#412633)
Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 06:06:12 |
Hmm. Do maziwa and jellyfish have any other genetics that match? Like brightness (for lack of a better term) and shading? I believe maziwa is golden medium countershaded, but I don't know about jellyfish, I'll have to check. 0 players like this post! Like? |
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nebula/ferrous 💫 (#434371)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 06:07:15 |
i do certainly think genetics may matter, at least a little bit like zaba said, it looks like any rosette can spawn, but if criteria are met, they have an extra chance at rolling 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Ramune [15 BO Jelly] (#46341)
Astral View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 06:07:36 |
Jellyfish is black dark countershaded special! Though generics playing a factor definitely!  Whether on the cub or from factors? Like countershaded or solid. Haven’t looked at a single possibility so I could be way off.  0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 15/03/24 @ 06:09:09 by Ramune [G1 2xRos Jelly] (#46341) |
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nebula/ferrous 💫 (#434371)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 06:07:52 |
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Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 06:09:00 |
I'd say thats the most likely case. Although I want to mention, we're mostly only documenting cases that prove our theories, which might be screwing with the data 0 players like this post! Like? |
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Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 06:09:39 |
Okay so jellyfish and maziwa are both countershaded AND special. I doubt rarity plays a factor, though 0 players like this post! Like? |
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nebula/ferrous 💫 (#434371)
Toxic View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 06:11:15 |
yeah, i don't think it does but yeah, you're right about the theory thing the data is certainly gonna get fucked up because we all have a ton of theories which might not be wrong, but they're misled because it's just focusing on one specific criteria for one specific rosette 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 15/03/24 @ 06:11:30 by nebula [G2 Leonid Mosaic 1.7K] (#434371) |
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Ramune [15 BO Jelly] (#46341)
Astral View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 06:12:34 |
I’m planning on doing a SILLY amount of scries. I’ll use a ton of our different theories and then “opposites” to see if anything contradictory pops up! Definitely planning on grabbing leopard tails too to try. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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Vanii [Main] (#36229)
UwU View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 06:12:44 |
My king popped 2 rosettes Sire: https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?mid=36229 1st cub: Bushveld HR - https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794214894868 Mom: https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794214886591 - Oatmeal (White Skin) - Slot 2: Under Silky 3 (43%) Tier 0 Slot 3: Under Silky 5 (29%) Tier 0 2nd cub: Briar Rosette - https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794214920967 Mom - https://www.lioden.com/lion.php?id=794214920961 - Caramel (Brown Skin) - Slot 4: Tail Banding Cinnabar (52%) Tier 3 0 players like this post! Like?Edited on 15/03/24 @ 06:15:21 by Chaparrita ❣️[G1 Main] (#36229) |
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Lone Wanderer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-03-15 06:14:01 |
We definitely need a list of all running theories, things we're testing, and what we're trying to prove/disprove, to keep our goals somewhat clear at the very least. I'll ask faerie next time I see them if they can edit the OG post so it's not lost in the sea of comments 1 player likes this post! Like? |
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