-LOCKED - Discussion: Raffle Lionesses
Posted on 2024-08-05 08:57:00
We are aware of some issues that the community has been voicing with the raffle lioness system, with some complaints including it being difficult to pass on raffle-exclusive traits, raffle lionesses going to inactive accounts, and so on. We have had our own discussion among the developers and would now like to present a discussion where the community can provide feedback on the ideas we have outlined below regarding how the system can be modified, and possibly even give their own ideas if they aren't already covered.

We will be closely monitoring this topic to record feedback, which we will then use for an upcoming site poll.


New Features Being Implemented

We have some features that will be added regardless of feedback within a future update:

New Features We May Implement


* Adjusting the raffle lioness system so that only players who have been active in the last two days (so Wednesdays onward) will have a chance to win when the raffle lioness is pulled
* Sending an email notification to the player who won the weekly raffle lioness


New Features We're Considering/Discussing

These are features we have had ideas for, or have found in the Game Development forums, and would like to see which of the following would be most preferred.

** 1. Storing raffle lioness designs and releasing them slowly through explore.
Essentially, this would mean creating multiple copies of the same raffle lioness to be slow-dripped into the game through the claiming system. They would work as chased lionesses, so only kings with Average impression or higher could find them. This would likely come with a failsafe so that if the lioness fails to be claimed, she goes back into the chased pool so another player has a chance to claim her. All raffle lionesses are made with the Nurturing (Good) personality, so raffle lionesses released through the claiming system would display the Good pose.

The first week, Raffle Lioness 1 is pulled and sent to the winner, and Raffle Lioness 2 is put up to be impressed. The second week, Raffle Lioness 2 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 3 is put up to be impressed, and a clone of Raffle Lioness 1 is put into the chased lioness pool in explore. The third week, Raffle Lioness 3 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 4 is put up to be impressed, and clones of Raffle Lionesses 1 and 2 are put into the chased pool in explore. This repeats up to a maximum of 9 clones, making for 10 total lionesses with the same design.

A graph to show the overall release schedule for raffle lionesses through explore.
[Click to view the image full-sized]




** 2. Releasing an identical replica raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness.
The stud would have the exact same traits as the raffle lioness, but rather than being delivered to a winner's territory, a select amount of players (between 20-50) would win the ability to breed with him. This would work similarly to August's event studs in that items could not be used on the stud for breeding. We also considered, if implementing replica studs, to allow all players to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but lock weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 3. Implementing raffle studs in general.
An alternative to releasing an identical replica raffle stud would be releasing a raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness who may share similar traits, e.g. if a raffle lioness is releasing a brand new eye colour, the raffle stud that week would have that eye colour as well, or if she is releasing a brand new raffle marking, the raffle stud that week would have that marking as well (either in the same slot, or a different slot). Breedings to this stud would also be limited to 20-50 players weekly, and items would not be allowed. This would also come with all players being able to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but locking weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 4. Releasing more than one raffle lioness per week.
This would either be multiple identical copies of the same raffle lioness, or up to 3 different raffle lionesses at once who would share some of the same traits, but not be identical.


** 5. Releasing recreated copies of previous raffle lionesses who are on banned/closed accounts.
This would be making a replica of the raffle lioness to raffle off through the official raffle system. The original raffle lioness would stay on the same account. This is specifically only for permanently suspended accounts, and accounts that have been closed—not inactive accounts that are not suspended/closed.


** 6. Allow the weekly raffle lioness to be impressed daily instead of once weekly for higher chances of winning, therefore rewarding more active players.
The weekly raffle lioness would still be available for a full week as usual, but daily impression attempts will add up and give a greater chance at winning her as compared to only one attempt per week (how it currently works).


** 7. Add a second raffle lioness for players who have rolled over at least 365 times in total (not consecutively), with potentially more unique traits than a standard Dreamboat raffle lioness.
Players who have rolled over 365 or more times would have the ability to impress both the standard Dreamboat raffle lioness, as well as a second raffle lioness that is only available to accounts with 365+ total rollovers.





We may mix-and-match some of the options, but we will be polling the community on these options regardless.

If you have any ideas or suggestions that were not listed above, we would appreciate your input and highly encourage you to provide a detailed response within this news post!

We will be deleting any comments that do not actually contribute to the discussion.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:34:29 by Katze (#3)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 09:26:17
i dont usually weigh in on news but as a rl/bo breeder i thought i'd add my voice to the many!

glad to see lioden is wanting to implement changes to the raffle lioness system, it's been needing it for a while with how large the user base has gotten. thank you for listening to user suggestions as well and taking input from the community!

i REALLY think raffle studs is a good idea, in whatever way it's implemented. any of the solutions including duplicate rls may get people upset about the rl market and value of a singular g1 rl. and the real issue with just one rl is getting the markings and new features out. a raffle lioness only has 8 natural heats and there's no guarantee she'll pass every marking, or even that she'll clone. and there's no guarantee that the person who gets her would want to spread the traits either. a raffle stud would combat that and get the markings and traits out to more people without devaluing the raffle lioness, who would still have all these breed only traits on one lion. i'm not very active on wolvden but if the raffle stud feature over there works to get traits out, i don't see why it shouldn't be added to lioden especially with the bigger userbase!
i think at the VERY least, some form of raffle studs should be implemented possibly alongside one of the other solutions.

i also really like the idea of re-releasing rls who have landed on inactive/frozen accounts. it's so heartbreaking to see a rl you really like end up on a dead account, and i'd love to give those raffle lionesses another chance!



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 09:29:56 by owliish 🌻 [ bo mobola ] (#196814)

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2024-08-05 09:26:34
agreeing with @elk, option 1 makes the least sense to me, because that kind of system, while still luck based, is greatly boosted with money, and turns it into a pay to win. many of you arent fans of the 365 day based rl, because it excludes newbies in a way, but so does the 1st option. the more time you put = the more moeny you're likely to spend = more boosts = more territory = more chances to win the chased rl.



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2024-08-05 09:26:54
Raffle studs and multiple lionesses I think would be incredible :D I think if you did multiple though, that there would have to be some kind of lock? Either making it to where you could only sign up for one of the three, or if you win one, not be able to roll theoretically another. Also re-releasing locked RLs, please!!
Thank you for this! These are all great ideas :D



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2024-08-05 09:27:14
coming back to this i don't like the idea of having to have rolled over since wednesday to get the lioness. it feels like punishing people with busy schedules.



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2024-08-05 09:27:26
I love almost all of those ideas, especially the studs, but I don't feel good about the 5th one, with rereleasing. Projects for recreating RLs are an interesting type of activity. Maybe instead of releasing whole lost RLs, it better release new RLs with their traits that are no more present in the game or there are very few of them? Like, if a certain marking in a certain slot is only present on a few lions (or not present at all), it can be rereleased on the next RL, and has higher chances of appearing on a Wenet's cousin/Groupie/any other lion, even those raffle studs?.

If officially raffling them is necessary, maybe players who recreated the RL will have to give one clone to the moderator/admin team (whoever will be responsible) for a raffle. Like with the December raffle lioness. The players can contact moderators to notify them about the finished project and will get an ID of a player they have to send the clone. Maybe they can get a badge (like a star for people who suggested designs, but for those, who recreated the RL) and (very optionally) be mentioned in the raffle description.

Maybe they'll send a form like this:
RL recreated: date of a lioness (23.04.2021 for example)
Players who recreated: ID1, ID2, ...
Link to the clone:

Maybe that's because I myself am recreating a raffle lioness, but I feel that this option will almost or completely destroy a very interesting type of project.



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2024-08-05 09:28:07
I really like the option of having a raffle lioness as well as releasing breedings to a raffle stud alongside her. As many have mentioned before me it not only helps spread the traits, but also doesn't tank the value of a clone or the lioness herself. Personally, I'm not a clone breeder myself, but I completely understand that there are players who value those items and that the market is important to them. Having multiple lionesses with the same traits but different appearances would be nice, however, it still limits the amount of chances there are to pass those traits and still brings about the issue of them going private.

A few posts above me I recall there being a mention about needing to grind with catnip if there were to be clones released in explore, and I completely agree. I also fear that, if they were to be slowly dripped into explore, it still would somewhat limit what players have access to them due to access to items or energy boosts to continue grinding for the lioness. One thing I didn't see mentioned was if these clones would work the same as a normal NCL. Would players be able to use a leopard orchid or GB to auto-claim her, or would it be based on chance?

As for the features being implemented, I do see why some players have voiced concerns about the activity timing, however, I see this as being a good solution if not a temporary one. If the stud option does end up being implemented, I feel the activity thing wouldn't be needed as you need to be active to redeem the breeding anyway. So long as there's an expiration on the breeding, I think this would be a fair alternative.

I greatly appreciate the devs taking the time to address the community's concerns and work on a solution that is geared to suit our wants best!



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2024-08-05 09:28:09
The new raffle lioness Ideas are interesting, I just dont like the idea of multiple of the same RL being released because it'll practically destroy the worth of them :(



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2024-08-05 09:28:21
SWEETTT!! love the new system!!



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2024-08-05 09:28:27
So!
I’m super impressed with the dev team’s response to the high rise in tensions of the RL system in the past two weeks. Not only that, but the brain storming you all have done has clearly taken into account many of the different concerns, as i’m especially loving the last two days of activity idea along with the raffle stud ones!

Straight up, I absolutely favor idea 3 above all else, and would love to see ideas 2, 5, and possibly even 7 implemented in some way. Raffle studs sound like a much easier way to spread traits, especially if it’s also with the last two days of activity factor! The raffle system is intended to spread markings, and this falling onto ONE person seems to be a responsibility that’s not worth the trouble at all. Especially considering it makes it difficult for the winner to be comfortable in personal decisions with their lion, which should never be the case.

Idea 2 is great, however I feel as though if the raffle stud is diverse it allows for the raffle lioness to keep some of her unique looks. Not to mention it also provides for a second raffle lion for people to aim to re-create! I think that if an extra special raffle lioness is released, perhaps showcasing a new combo or breed-only base, that could be an event where a set of identical twin raffle lions could be released!

Idea 5 is just a great idea overall, especially if the account is permanently suspended. So many great designs have gone to dead accounts, and I think creating a clone instead of disturbing the accounts is an amazing way to get the raffle lioness back out there. As far as Idea 7, I’m unsure if this would work better as a third lion, an occasional rare circumstance that replaces the raffle system to be implemented, or an occasional third lion! Whatever way, perhaps this would be a nice reward to players who’ve been here longer. However, if the other system is implemented with the 365 rollovers feature, perhaps another factor could go into this more unique and rare raffle lionesses?

Thanks for the discussion post!



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2024-08-05 09:28:52
I think that just about all of these ideas are AMAZING, it helps solve the giant price jump so people can actually obtain them. Plus the idea of raffle studs is super fun. This Lil piece of news makes me rather excited for the future of lioden as a whole, I'm happy to see the devs making efforts to help and work with the community rather then milk as much money from us as possible. 10/10 on the devs parts.



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2024-08-05 09:28:56
Guys please you can still enter for the RL if you haven't rolled 365 times, there will just be an EXTRA RL for people who HAVE



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2024-08-05 09:28:58
I feel like 5 would be the best!



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2024-08-05 09:29:30
number 5, 6, and 7 are the ONLY options i’d be happy with. i do not like the idea of raffle studs at all.



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2024-08-05 09:30:00
i just wanna point out that for the locked options (365 days) it wouldnt be that newbies dont get a chance at all, it would be that older players get an additonal chance



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2024-08-05 09:30:02
raise the price of impressing her. period. it shouldn't be 50SB, which is what fodder is priced at.



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