-LOCKED - Discussion: Raffle Lionesses
Posted on 2024-08-05 08:57:00
We are aware of some issues that the community has been voicing with the raffle lioness system, with some complaints including it being difficult to pass on raffle-exclusive traits, raffle lionesses going to inactive accounts, and so on. We have had our own discussion among the developers and would now like to present a discussion where the community can provide feedback on the ideas we have outlined below regarding how the system can be modified, and possibly even give their own ideas if they aren't already covered.

We will be closely monitoring this topic to record feedback, which we will then use for an upcoming site poll.


New Features Being Implemented

We have some features that will be added regardless of feedback within a future update:

New Features We May Implement


* Adjusting the raffle lioness system so that only players who have been active in the last two days (so Wednesdays onward) will have a chance to win when the raffle lioness is pulled
* Sending an email notification to the player who won the weekly raffle lioness


New Features We're Considering/Discussing

These are features we have had ideas for, or have found in the Game Development forums, and would like to see which of the following would be most preferred.

** 1. Storing raffle lioness designs and releasing them slowly through explore.
Essentially, this would mean creating multiple copies of the same raffle lioness to be slow-dripped into the game through the claiming system. They would work as chased lionesses, so only kings with Average impression or higher could find them. This would likely come with a failsafe so that if the lioness fails to be claimed, she goes back into the chased pool so another player has a chance to claim her. All raffle lionesses are made with the Nurturing (Good) personality, so raffle lionesses released through the claiming system would display the Good pose.

The first week, Raffle Lioness 1 is pulled and sent to the winner, and Raffle Lioness 2 is put up to be impressed. The second week, Raffle Lioness 2 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 3 is put up to be impressed, and a clone of Raffle Lioness 1 is put into the chased lioness pool in explore. The third week, Raffle Lioness 3 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 4 is put up to be impressed, and clones of Raffle Lionesses 1 and 2 are put into the chased pool in explore. This repeats up to a maximum of 9 clones, making for 10 total lionesses with the same design.

A graph to show the overall release schedule for raffle lionesses through explore.
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** 2. Releasing an identical replica raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness.
The stud would have the exact same traits as the raffle lioness, but rather than being delivered to a winner's territory, a select amount of players (between 20-50) would win the ability to breed with him. This would work similarly to August's event studs in that items could not be used on the stud for breeding. We also considered, if implementing replica studs, to allow all players to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but lock weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 3. Implementing raffle studs in general.
An alternative to releasing an identical replica raffle stud would be releasing a raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness who may share similar traits, e.g. if a raffle lioness is releasing a brand new eye colour, the raffle stud that week would have that eye colour as well, or if she is releasing a brand new raffle marking, the raffle stud that week would have that marking as well (either in the same slot, or a different slot). Breedings to this stud would also be limited to 20-50 players weekly, and items would not be allowed. This would also come with all players being able to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but locking weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 4. Releasing more than one raffle lioness per week.
This would either be multiple identical copies of the same raffle lioness, or up to 3 different raffle lionesses at once who would share some of the same traits, but not be identical.


** 5. Releasing recreated copies of previous raffle lionesses who are on banned/closed accounts.
This would be making a replica of the raffle lioness to raffle off through the official raffle system. The original raffle lioness would stay on the same account. This is specifically only for permanently suspended accounts, and accounts that have been closed—not inactive accounts that are not suspended/closed.


** 6. Allow the weekly raffle lioness to be impressed daily instead of once weekly for higher chances of winning, therefore rewarding more active players.
The weekly raffle lioness would still be available for a full week as usual, but daily impression attempts will add up and give a greater chance at winning her as compared to only one attempt per week (how it currently works).


** 7. Add a second raffle lioness for players who have rolled over at least 365 times in total (not consecutively), with potentially more unique traits than a standard Dreamboat raffle lioness.
Players who have rolled over 365 or more times would have the ability to impress both the standard Dreamboat raffle lioness, as well as a second raffle lioness that is only available to accounts with 365+ total rollovers.





We may mix-and-match some of the options, but we will be polling the community on these options regardless.

If you have any ideas or suggestions that were not listed above, we would appreciate your input and highly encourage you to provide a detailed response within this news post!

We will be deleting any comments that do not actually contribute to the discussion.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:34:29 by Katze (#3)

Crunchy [G1 Primal
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Posted on
2024-08-05 09:46:58
Appreciate the LioDevs taking the time to listen to the community <3 Here are my thoughts :

New features being released regardless of feedback:
Sounds good, no problems.

1:
I really think 10 identical raffle lionesses being in the game is too many; they just aren’t rare at that point. Admittedly, I’m not a big part of the raffle lioness clone community, but I’ve always wanted to win one, and if I won the raffle or got one from explore, know there were 9 other G1s that were exactly the same would make me sad, especially when for years, people got unique raffle lionesses when they won. I do think explore rls would reward active players, but if this is the option you go with, I would say a maximum of 1 or 2 explore rls in addition to the real rl would keep them valuable.

2:
I’m not a big fan of this option either. Maybe people who are more interested in rl traits would be happy that they would almost certainly be passed down, but I would rather have a small chance to win a super-special lioness I get to keep than win a studding from a lion who would give me a couple cubs with tier 2 markings. There are RLC studs in the game, and I haven’t chosen to stud to one since I started playing, I don’t think, because their cubs don’t excite me. That this option would lock out players like me, who have only been playing for a few months, from being able to get the rl, doesn’t seem like a fair trade-off.

3:
Same thoughts as point 2 I think.

4:
I think it would be fine if there were a maximum of 2 identical raffle lionesses which could be won in the raffle. 1, 2, or possibly even 3 similar, but not identical raffle lionesses would still make them feel special while making sure their traits were passed down.

5:
I don’t see why not. But, I think a rereleased raffle lioness could be good as an additional raffle, so that the winner wouldn’t feel like they got something second-best in their 1-in-5000 chance. Maybe that could be an additional raffle for players with more than 365 rollovers?

6:
I think daily is too many and could even make raffle lioness designs rushed. I think a maximum of 2 or 3 raffle lionesses released every week would be best if this option is chosen. This assumes the system would work as it does now, just more often, and doesn’t compound with any of the other 7 options, because that would need more thought.

7:
Very cool option, I like it! It might not solve the problem of traits not being passed down, but it’s still an interesting option.

8?:
I would love it so much if you could win the raffle lioness even if your territory was full. Just a small exception for something so rare would feel so good.


I hope this isn’t too harsh, I’m sure this’ll turn out great! :)

TL;DR: I think a lot of these options make rls less rare, and therefore less special, and I don’t like the options that take away the ability for new players to win the rl, but I like the idea of an additional raffle for long-time players.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 09:53:22 by Crunchy [G1 Primal Bushveld] (#472441)

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2024-08-05 09:47:08
Wanted to say something else, if there going be multiple raffle lioness per week, could the players submit their designs as well? I think it would be fun- if there was an area for rl designs and for the player base to able to vote in their favorite design of said rl and for it to appear in the upcoming week!



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2024-08-05 09:47:38
1- This, to me, seems like the worse idea in the list. Although a small chance of having new traits in explore would be good, having a WHOLE clone claimable? I feel like that may just dig the market further... the "RLC market" would basically die, and Crunchies would barely stay wanted, as.. I mean, there would already be 10 clones. I feel like at most the new traits being added should, have a small chance of popping in explore a few times, but the whole lion would be a bad idea. (A system similar to how the wenet cousins come to be COULD be an amazing solution though.)

2- My personal favorite. I think that a certain level would be required to be able to try and win the stud (Level 10 would be a good deal, in my opinion) Making it so that not everyone can try to win the studs, yet still making it accessible. The Raffle lioness clone lock would be AMAZING.

3- Same thing, one of my personal favorites. Bonus? Would make the spreading of rare slots much more efficient and fast! (Let's say RL has a rare marking in slot 2, well she will spread that marking, while the stud spreads a different marking in another slot.) I think that the Studs could have 5 markings instead of 10, to still make the RL a little special.

4- Although I like the idea of multiple RL's being released at the same time.... Maybe something (again) similar to wenets could be implimented: there could be 1 RL, and perhaps two "sisters" that share some but not all traits??

5- Personally, I feel this isn't completely nessessary? A lot of people are able to revive certain RL's, and those is trully passionate projects, but re-introducing them as Studs would 100% be one of the best things possible!!

6- That would be a fun dynamic (I already know I would be half asleep at 1 am and think "Omg i forgot to try to claim her today", waking up and then having already done it )

7- That is a VERY SWEET idea! Also one of my favorites: Still letting newer players claim RL's, but rewarding those who have played for longer. This would be AMAZING.



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Alchemist_Albedo (#254900)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 09:48:16
Question about the raffle studs. how would that work. is it FCFS? is it like the event studs where anyone can stud to them? Would it be a special raffle where only a certain number of people are able to stud?



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Posted on
2024-08-05 09:48:34
to further elaborate.

I think that RL designs going into chased will ruin the current RL market - and as someone who breeds for RLCs or their traits - to me that would vastly change my love for the game, I've devoted about two years to recreating a few older designs, and SO much time/currency/etc. So to say that the release of 10 lionesses with the design almost immediately?? that takes away so much of the special nature of the RL.

Releasing two-three related but not exact lionesses per week would be in my opinion the best bet. This allows for a user to still win an uniquelioness, but would help to spread the traits. I think the stud option would work well if done in a similar fashion, but also like the suggestion here where the studs are released staggered to the RL design they may share traits with. This way the trait is spread but the RL stays special and unique.

I think raising the price of entry should also be something implemented, as I said before.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 09:49:21 by stagbeetle [g1 x2 ice nrlc] (#311024)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 09:48:39
I barely understood anything but i like it



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🔆solace (#148835)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 09:48:55
yaaay raffle lioness news!

get rid of 1. putting brand-new RLs in the chased pool completely removes the appeal that winning a RL has, even as much or little as 10 of them.

the system around raffle lionesses is outdated an needs to be expanded on, this being a good start.
i personally like 3, 5, and either 6 or 7 as options. please listen to the older players on this one, since the majority of voices on this will likely be newer folks who aren’t as experienced with the game or economy - which this will affect tremendously. always nice to see old features being improved! :3



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2024-08-05 09:49:28
I really think just keeping it how it is, or adding a raffle lioness stud, would be great. I would love to see old raffle lions from banned accounts back. And I do like the idea of having those who aren’t super active possibly not having more of a chance with raffle lions. If you get a raffle lioness and are never online- it seems wasteful.

I highly dislike the chasing idea, multiple raffle lions, that sort of stuff.



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eee (#436884)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 09:49:49
i like many of the recommendations but with point 1, i feel like releasing all of the raffle lionesses would destroy the economy but if so many people like the idea i think if and RL is claimed theyre on their last heat, allowing traits to pass but not a guarantee!



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Trin (#241021)

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2024-08-05 09:50:36
I’ve been playing the game for a couple years and the only thing I haven’t done is win a raffle lioness so this is interesting!



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max [G6 Ivory
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Posted on
2024-08-05 09:50:50
It's nice to hear that the RL system is being remodified!
I definitely like the feature of raffle studs, as it would help more players to access the new traits.
Raffling the copies of the lionesses from banned/abandoned accounts also seems as a nice addition.
In general, I think it's good that the new features are activity-oriented, especially the #4th and the #6th features. The first one is obviously for explorers, and while I like it in general, I think the appearance of the 1st Raffle Lioness NCL should be at least...3-4 weeks after the Raffle?
The feature that I think should not be added, however, is the 7th one. I think it will not really solve the issues there are wtih the current RL system.
As somebody has already said, winning a RL should not really be about the profit anyway, and I agree.
Thanks for the wonderful news! :)



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Posted on
2024-08-05 09:51:56
I read the post again, and I ABSOLUTELY DON'T LIKE the idea of 10 copies. We ll lose private lines, we ll lose value, rarity, lions ll become EVEN CHEAPER. What's the point of the game if u can afford to buy anything without much investment? Let the lionesses in explore be DIFFERENT. One lioness remains in the usual raffle, several others move into the chased pool in explore. This ll preserve the value of standard raffles and add more fun at the same time.



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2024-08-05 09:52:39
I like 2,3,4,5 choices!



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Posted on
2024-08-05 09:53:21
News!!!

I think chased RLs is a really good idea!! Not many people know how to time it right and predict when she will be in the chased pool and people would definitely have to work to be more active. This could really boost the activity in players too! Especially when people are logging on, entering the raffle and then not logging back in again for quite some time where she's being wasted.

#4 This could definitely be an option and it could help spread different versions for the players who have different tastes! There are often a lot of arguments over newly released RLs. Some prefer the more natural and muted ones while others (myself included) love seeing RLs like the Cassis, Ra, Constellation and Witch RLs for a few examples.

#5 I absolutely love this idea! There have been a handful of RLs that I've fallen in love with which have gone to inactive accounts. The Sphinx one being one of my favourites and I'd love to have another chance at her! As many other players would, I'm sure. And they all deserve to be appreciated and used to their full potential.

#6 I like this idea for sure and while some people may find it a challenge to roll over to do this, it would give everyone a fair chance. And people might have more courage to enter in the raffle, I know some who don't even bother because of how slim the chances are. At the end of the day, I think people just need to *FEEL* that they at least have a chance.

I think another option could be to actually implement an RL into explore with her own encounter, which would obviously be very rare! If you come across this encounter, you can impress the lioness, give her food to help her survive or even play with her. This encounter could show up multiple times during the week as a singular encounter would probably cause some arguments. On the day she's due to pick a king, the player will receive a notification saying the lioness found herself walking into their pride and settling amongst their other lionesses. PMs would be turned off as soon as she's there too of course! This could be an additional RL to the one who stays on the 'Special Lioness' page so there's more options for people who don't like to sit and explore all day. This is just a silly suggestion and something I'd personally love to see as I do love to explore.

Overall I love these ideas and I'd be more than happy to have more chances at getting an RL in the future!



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Posted on
2024-08-05 09:55:05
for the raffle studs though, i think 50 is the right number. 20 feels a bit low for such a large and active community



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