-LOCKED - Discussion: Raffle Lionesses
Posted on 2024-08-05 08:57:00
We are aware of some issues that the community has been voicing with the raffle lioness system, with some complaints including it being difficult to pass on raffle-exclusive traits, raffle lionesses going to inactive accounts, and so on. We have had our own discussion among the developers and would now like to present a discussion where the community can provide feedback on the ideas we have outlined below regarding how the system can be modified, and possibly even give their own ideas if they aren't already covered.

We will be closely monitoring this topic to record feedback, which we will then use for an upcoming site poll.


New Features Being Implemented

We have some features that will be added regardless of feedback within a future update:

New Features We May Implement


* Adjusting the raffle lioness system so that only players who have been active in the last two days (so Wednesdays onward) will have a chance to win when the raffle lioness is pulled
* Sending an email notification to the player who won the weekly raffle lioness


New Features We're Considering/Discussing

These are features we have had ideas for, or have found in the Game Development forums, and would like to see which of the following would be most preferred.

** 1. Storing raffle lioness designs and releasing them slowly through explore.
Essentially, this would mean creating multiple copies of the same raffle lioness to be slow-dripped into the game through the claiming system. They would work as chased lionesses, so only kings with Average impression or higher could find them. This would likely come with a failsafe so that if the lioness fails to be claimed, she goes back into the chased pool so another player has a chance to claim her. All raffle lionesses are made with the Nurturing (Good) personality, so raffle lionesses released through the claiming system would display the Good pose.

The first week, Raffle Lioness 1 is pulled and sent to the winner, and Raffle Lioness 2 is put up to be impressed. The second week, Raffle Lioness 2 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 3 is put up to be impressed, and a clone of Raffle Lioness 1 is put into the chased lioness pool in explore. The third week, Raffle Lioness 3 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 4 is put up to be impressed, and clones of Raffle Lionesses 1 and 2 are put into the chased pool in explore. This repeats up to a maximum of 9 clones, making for 10 total lionesses with the same design.

A graph to show the overall release schedule for raffle lionesses through explore.
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** 2. Releasing an identical replica raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness.
The stud would have the exact same traits as the raffle lioness, but rather than being delivered to a winner's territory, a select amount of players (between 20-50) would win the ability to breed with him. This would work similarly to August's event studs in that items could not be used on the stud for breeding. We also considered, if implementing replica studs, to allow all players to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but lock weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 3. Implementing raffle studs in general.
An alternative to releasing an identical replica raffle stud would be releasing a raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness who may share similar traits, e.g. if a raffle lioness is releasing a brand new eye colour, the raffle stud that week would have that eye colour as well, or if she is releasing a brand new raffle marking, the raffle stud that week would have that marking as well (either in the same slot, or a different slot). Breedings to this stud would also be limited to 20-50 players weekly, and items would not be allowed. This would also come with all players being able to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but locking weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 4. Releasing more than one raffle lioness per week.
This would either be multiple identical copies of the same raffle lioness, or up to 3 different raffle lionesses at once who would share some of the same traits, but not be identical.


** 5. Releasing recreated copies of previous raffle lionesses who are on banned/closed accounts.
This would be making a replica of the raffle lioness to raffle off through the official raffle system. The original raffle lioness would stay on the same account. This is specifically only for permanently suspended accounts, and accounts that have been closed—not inactive accounts that are not suspended/closed.


** 6. Allow the weekly raffle lioness to be impressed daily instead of once weekly for higher chances of winning, therefore rewarding more active players.
The weekly raffle lioness would still be available for a full week as usual, but daily impression attempts will add up and give a greater chance at winning her as compared to only one attempt per week (how it currently works).


** 7. Add a second raffle lioness for players who have rolled over at least 365 times in total (not consecutively), with potentially more unique traits than a standard Dreamboat raffle lioness.
Players who have rolled over 365 or more times would have the ability to impress both the standard Dreamboat raffle lioness, as well as a second raffle lioness that is only available to accounts with 365+ total rollovers.





We may mix-and-match some of the options, but we will be polling the community on these options regardless.

If you have any ideas or suggestions that were not listed above, we would appreciate your input and highly encourage you to provide a detailed response within this news post!

We will be deleting any comments that do not actually contribute to the discussion.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:34:29 by Katze (#3)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 09:59:13
i do not like the idea of RL studs

with RL studs, all of the RL’s traits will be spread thoroughly before she is even released. the winner will make no money off of her.

in addition, there is a chance somebody could “recreate” the rl before she is even released.

who would bother paying for another player’s stud fee when they can just stud to the shiny new 15bo raffle stud?????? there are SERIOUS implications for the economy with this method.



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2024-08-05 09:59:44
SO, I've read over this and thought really hard.
I do NOT like the idea of having to roll over 2 days before the winner is pulled, not everyone is available to rollover daily and they shouldn't be punished for this. However I do like the email notification to the winner.

1. I also do not think that raffle lionesses should be released as claimable lions in explore, this ruins the whole point of RLs IMO, they're supposed to be a special gift to a player that nobody else has! Releasing them as NCLs ruins the excitement.

2&3. I love the idea of raffle studs! I think this will be a great way to implement some more RL markings/eyes/etc into the gene pool. I especially like that items won't be allowed, it'll allow for everyone to have the same chance to get these new traits. I especially like that they would be LIMITED to a small pool of players.

4. This *could* be a good idea, but I don't like the idea of identical lions being posted. They should both be different, again because these RLs are supposed to be special, and having multiple of the same released ruins that.

5. Re-releasing RLs from banned/closed accounts is a good idea

6. This is a toss up for me, since I don't want people to be punished for unexpected events happening in their lives, causing them to be unable to rollover and actually impress the lioness again.

7. I love the idea of a second lioness being released for players whom have rolled over 365+ days! It'll reward players whom deserve it.

A suggestion:
Maybe release these RLs in certain tiers? Ie; the normal RL available to ALL players, a second RL being released for players rolling over for maybe 182 days, and then a third tier for the 365 day+ players!

Overall, I'm most excited for 3 & 7! But I am very very hopeful that we do not punish players unable to rollover daily, and do NOT like the idea of identical lionesses being released. Similar is fine, but they should all be unique.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:00:30 by eXProtein (#199933)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:00:51
I love all of these ideas! 1, 3, and 7 are my favourites so far



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2024-08-05 10:01:19
Love this, gives more opportunities for people to get one

EDIT: I mean the part about finding them in explore



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:02:27 by milktea (#469489)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:01:30
Also personally love 1, 5, 7.



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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:01:34
I really like all of these suggestions. The only thing I would critique is that if the raffle lioness can be found in explore, maybe the impression level of kings should be Dreamboat since it has to be the same level to impress one?



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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:01:39
i very much appreciate this news. ive been playing off and on for years and have not yet won a lioden official raffle be it lioness, the even special raffles, or the sb raffles, i would love to be able to have more chances to get one of these elusive lions.

for features..

1. this is probably my most favorite of your possible features. there are so many lions that have disappeared over the years, i would love the idea of having even some of those early raffle lionesses be brought back as "chased clones" in explore. ive been trying to keep one of my favorite markings alive but all the lions i have with that mark i believe are inbred or long gen and would love to have opportunities to bring some of those rare marks brought back to life.

2. this is nice but from my experience lioden RNG hates me so if i ever won one of these i would probably end up getting a markingless potato cub if i won a possible stud to a RL stud so this is great but i would hope maybe theres some way to implement where if someone got this that the cub would have a minimum number of markings passed.

3. im not 100% sure about this one i do like the 365+ rollover idea but im not sure how great this would be to implement it onto the raffle lioness thats been around for so long.

4. this may be my 2nd favorite option from this list but i would suggest a bit of a change.. offer the 1 lioness to everyone like you already do but then have lionesses 2 and 3 be for 365+ players only and you can either have both those 2 identical or have one of those be the one that shares some of the same traits but not be identical to the everybody one? edit from (7.) you can make the 3rd lioness be what you mention in 7 where it would have more unique traits.

5. i would very much like this. you could even play off 4 for this? have 1 new lioness for everyone, and the 2 additional lionesses for the +365 players have 1 copy of the current lioness, and have the 2nd be of a lioness from raffles especially from those on banned, closed, or inactive accounts ( offline for 365 or 730+ consecutive days ) Edit for after 7. might be asking for too much but maybe have 4 lionesses a week 1 for everyone, 365+ would have chance of a copy of the weekly lioness, 1 lioness with slightly more unique traits, and 1 lioness from the previous raffles. will add an Or at the very bottom.

6. this sounds cool but im not 100% up for this one. some weeks i find 50sb not all that easy to accumulate.

7. adding edit to add this in my 4. response.

what i was mentioning in 4 and 5 mixed with 7 may end up being a bit too hectic,

maybe this for an idea: what i was saying in 4 have 3 raffle ladies: 1 for everyone, 2 for 365+ players where 1 is a copy and 1 is more unique traits mentioned in 7. while also implementing 1 where the explore raffle lionesses would be the recreated copies of previous raffle lionesses who are on banned/closed/ inactive accounts.

if anything is unclear please let me know i can try to clear things up if need be



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2024-08-05 10:02:56
It is very unlikely that cubs from RL stud would be any more than like 8/15 clones, which don't sell for much already. It would be a task just like any other RL recreation project that already currently exists.



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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:05:08
I LOVE these ideas, can't wait to see what gets added!



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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:05:27
Not directed at anyone in particular, but no matter how you slice it, any changes to the raffle lioness system WILL devalue them. But at this point, the system needs to be changed somehow. It's just the matter of deciding how to change it.



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2024-08-05 10:06:07
just adding more iterations of 1 single lioness will put the multiple winners in competition with each other to rapidly try to undercut each other to get their RL cubs to sell, causing an extreme and rapid decline in value



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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:07:23
Tbh it being chased doesn't really interested me unless the line is dead, private (? Idk tbh about this but eh) or inactive giving 2 rl's would make the line common way to easy but would do something against private lines (I have a huge dislike for this, but respect their choices)


Releasing a stud seems like the most interesting option for me with having inmind keeping a line rare and not common within a day or two

If we make 2 rl's



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:28:09 by Sorin {G1 thoth 5x rosette} (#359327)

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2024-08-05 10:07:33
Question about #5, will you all simply be looking at the rolled og lioness herself to rerun her, or will you see if there’s active lines alive as well?

Several people have put their blood sweat and tears into reviving some of these lines on inaccessible accounts, and finally getting her recreated just for her to be put back up when a revived line exists would make these projects useless and a huge waste of a lot of people’s time and effort that they’ve already put in and cannot get back



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2024-08-05 10:08:14
A raffle stud with the same eyes or rare slot would also hopefully be otherwise unique. A lot of people I've heard from just want the new or very rare traits to be more spread.



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2024-08-05 10:09:18
Is it possible this could open discussion about combo pass rates in the future? After we establish a better way to handle the raffle lionesses and make them and their marking more accessible?



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