-LOCKED - Discussion: Raffle Lionesses
Posted on 2024-08-05 08:57:00
We are aware of some issues that the community has been voicing with the raffle lioness system, with some complaints including it being difficult to pass on raffle-exclusive traits, raffle lionesses going to inactive accounts, and so on. We have had our own discussion among the developers and would now like to present a discussion where the community can provide feedback on the ideas we have outlined below regarding how the system can be modified, and possibly even give their own ideas if they aren't already covered.

We will be closely monitoring this topic to record feedback, which we will then use for an upcoming site poll.


New Features Being Implemented

We have some features that will be added regardless of feedback within a future update:

New Features We May Implement


* Adjusting the raffle lioness system so that only players who have been active in the last two days (so Wednesdays onward) will have a chance to win when the raffle lioness is pulled
* Sending an email notification to the player who won the weekly raffle lioness


New Features We're Considering/Discussing

These are features we have had ideas for, or have found in the Game Development forums, and would like to see which of the following would be most preferred.

** 1. Storing raffle lioness designs and releasing them slowly through explore.
Essentially, this would mean creating multiple copies of the same raffle lioness to be slow-dripped into the game through the claiming system. They would work as chased lionesses, so only kings with Average impression or higher could find them. This would likely come with a failsafe so that if the lioness fails to be claimed, she goes back into the chased pool so another player has a chance to claim her. All raffle lionesses are made with the Nurturing (Good) personality, so raffle lionesses released through the claiming system would display the Good pose.

The first week, Raffle Lioness 1 is pulled and sent to the winner, and Raffle Lioness 2 is put up to be impressed. The second week, Raffle Lioness 2 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 3 is put up to be impressed, and a clone of Raffle Lioness 1 is put into the chased lioness pool in explore. The third week, Raffle Lioness 3 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 4 is put up to be impressed, and clones of Raffle Lionesses 1 and 2 are put into the chased pool in explore. This repeats up to a maximum of 9 clones, making for 10 total lionesses with the same design.

A graph to show the overall release schedule for raffle lionesses through explore.
[Click to view the image full-sized]




** 2. Releasing an identical replica raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness.
The stud would have the exact same traits as the raffle lioness, but rather than being delivered to a winner's territory, a select amount of players (between 20-50) would win the ability to breed with him. This would work similarly to August's event studs in that items could not be used on the stud for breeding. We also considered, if implementing replica studs, to allow all players to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but lock weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 3. Implementing raffle studs in general.
An alternative to releasing an identical replica raffle stud would be releasing a raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness who may share similar traits, e.g. if a raffle lioness is releasing a brand new eye colour, the raffle stud that week would have that eye colour as well, or if she is releasing a brand new raffle marking, the raffle stud that week would have that marking as well (either in the same slot, or a different slot). Breedings to this stud would also be limited to 20-50 players weekly, and items would not be allowed. This would also come with all players being able to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but locking weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 4. Releasing more than one raffle lioness per week.
This would either be multiple identical copies of the same raffle lioness, or up to 3 different raffle lionesses at once who would share some of the same traits, but not be identical.


** 5. Releasing recreated copies of previous raffle lionesses who are on banned/closed accounts.
This would be making a replica of the raffle lioness to raffle off through the official raffle system. The original raffle lioness would stay on the same account. This is specifically only for permanently suspended accounts, and accounts that have been closed—not inactive accounts that are not suspended/closed.


** 6. Allow the weekly raffle lioness to be impressed daily instead of once weekly for higher chances of winning, therefore rewarding more active players.
The weekly raffle lioness would still be available for a full week as usual, but daily impression attempts will add up and give a greater chance at winning her as compared to only one attempt per week (how it currently works).


** 7. Add a second raffle lioness for players who have rolled over at least 365 times in total (not consecutively), with potentially more unique traits than a standard Dreamboat raffle lioness.
Players who have rolled over 365 or more times would have the ability to impress both the standard Dreamboat raffle lioness, as well as a second raffle lioness that is only available to accounts with 365+ total rollovers.





We may mix-and-match some of the options, but we will be polling the community on these options regardless.

If you have any ideas or suggestions that were not listed above, we would appreciate your input and highly encourage you to provide a detailed response within this news post!

We will be deleting any comments that do not actually contribute to the discussion.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:34:29 by Katze (#3)

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2024-08-05 10:09:24
I really think RL should be less exclusive and "money makers" and treated like how RL were back in the day: just pretty lionesses. There were no BO traits, contested marking slots, or exclusive bases. They were just something special to look at and enjoy.



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2024-08-05 10:10:09
I do like not giving the RL to an inactive account, and getting a chance to get RL from older accounts (5), I do not like the rest.



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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:10:38
I can't wait



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2024-08-05 10:11:20
FINALLY addressing the raffle hoarding issues. Oh my god.

A Raffle male and raffle female copy is definitely the way to go. This would discourage the hoarding of traits by selfish and greedy players.

Maybe male raffle lions could choose 15 submitted lionesses to breed to and players could only submit one per account?



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:13:18 by JAX • 3.12.21 12/15 | 14/15 BO (#98288)

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2024-08-05 10:11:52
#1 I think releasing previous raffle lionesses as NCLs would be cool, especially as a limited time event. I just wouldn't really welcome it for new lionesses since it devalues raffle lionesses. This would also be good in combination with #5 where lionesses on suspended accounts would have a chance to be revived without necessarily taking the original RL from the account. I'd say if a raffle lionesses has been around for longer than a year, it should be fair game to release it as an NCL. There was some discussions about players grinding for RL NCLs, but I think this could be easily solved if only one RL NCL can be spawned&claimed per account.

#2 I personally don't love the idea of RL studs. Studs were always a unique feature of the August event so idk how I feel about the August event being devalued with that.

#4 Not feeling this one, especially since it would mean more work to design multiple different raffle lionesses. People also love to have "birthday RLs" and having multiple lions on the same day kind of ruins that (I know this is an argument that can be neglected, but I still wanted to pointed that out alongside to what others were saying) Someone also mentioned that it would make the multiple winners be in contest with each other and that feels like the seed for toxicity.

#5 See #1

#6 I feel like a system like that would be prone to bugs or exploits, but if it's feasible, I think it's okay.

#7 Having long time players be rewarded for their "loyalty" is a really good idea! I think I agree with eXProtein (#199933) that different tiers would be a good addition.

I overall like #1 for older raffle lionesses, maybe as a special event, and #7.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:51:48 by Trashy [G1 Nadir RLC 25.11.22] (#254446)

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2024-08-05 10:12:11
I do not think the "releasing through explore" idea should be implemented. 10 identical G1 RLs is just so many and would completely tank the value of RLs. [Edit -- other replies seem excited about the prospect of rereleasing old, dead RLs from gone accounts this way. This makes more sense to me. I still think 10 is too high a number and it should not be done with new RLs.]

But a stud identical to the week's RL sounds like a good idea! A player pays a low SB fee (50 again?) for the chance to win a studding; they win and it works like the maneater studs, or a "boost" is applied to the next breeding from your king in your pride, like tigon/jaglion/dorsal fur boosts.

Multiple similar, but not identical, raffle lionesses per week sounds very fun. I'd be behind that.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:15:26 by mike 🦋 (#365781)

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2024-08-05 10:14:33
I adore the idea of re-releasing RLs that are on banned or suspended accounts

Will you guys consider re-releasing extinct RLs as well? My favorite one, the 3/08/2019 Cinnabar, is fully extinct (no living clones,no dead clones, no dead RL, just fully gone)

For the stud idea I think that would work best if players couldn’t use items that guarantee trait passes (ex: no ochre powder/saltlick/gnawrock)



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2024-08-05 10:14:47
wonderful ideas, love the thought of raffle studs tbh

7. i like this idea, i know a lot of people have been on this game for a long while and haven't won a RL ever, myself included!



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:20:48 by Khemaru |G2 Neb Demiurge (#245995)

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2024-08-05 10:15:10
1. I’mmmmm not too sure about this one. It feels like it might just make lines more common and thus they sell for a lot cheaper. The market is already over saturated in some sides, think the Ra line. I feel like RL’s need to retain some sort of value, not get sold for 5 gb for a 13/15 clone

2 and 3. LOVE this idea!! I don’t really care if they’re identical or just similar, but I love the idea of raffle studs and giving people a chance to get some of his traits. That’d be cool.

4 and 7. I think this could work, and it’s more fair to newbies too. I don’t think that making the lioness 365 rolls exclusive is a good idea, but making two different lionesses, one for everyone and one for the vets, is a much better idea.

5. I think this one would be cool also. I mean, granted that the assumption is that the banned account can’t come back, it would be nice to re-release the lioness that’s in limbo, especially if she has a very small/no line.

6. I really like this idea too!! It gives you incentive to log in, yknow? And for folks who roll daily, it could give a little advantage.



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2024-08-05 10:15:12
I really like 1 and 3. Most of the other concepts I don't, because they're punishing people who for reasons they may not choose themselves aren't able to log on everyday. I'm a returning player who just recently, after popping in for very short intervals at a time through the years, finally understand the game and play consequitively every day (2 months + now, i plan on being here to stay). So the having to have 365 rollovers and above is punishing players who are new but active - a year is a long while to wait for an only very slight improved chance to win.

As i see it, the raffle studs would solve this problem as a whole by distributing the genetic traits to many players. I have never liked how one player wins and has monopoly on what happens to that special lineage.



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2024-08-05 10:17:18
I'm going post this, I don't like how people are being rude about people "Hoarding rlcs". They won it fair and square. It not fair to them for you to be rude and insult them about this, if they don't want sell it, that's them. I get people want traits which why i like the stud idea, but also people shouldn't start insulting ones who keep their lines private.



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2024-08-05 10:17:23
You guys rock! Thanks for hearing us ! 💜



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2024-08-05 10:17:35
I love the idea of multiple marking adjacent raffle lionesses being available. I like to think I’ve been around the block a few times, and I’d like to note a few little things!

- I roll one a week on my side to keep my valuable lionesses from aging too fast - that day is usually Sunday or Tuesday, due to my work schedule, and if the implementation of the 2 day rule goes through, this would possibly knock out an active and long standing account of even the slim chance to win. I personally know a large handful of long standing users who roll scarcely, and am personally not for this option.

- The player base has absolutely exploded over the past 10 years. I think having 3 or more UNIQUE raffle lionesses a week that share similar traits is long overdue, and a great idea! (Honestly, implementing this in July or any other months with raffle girls has long since been needed as well) and I’m all for it! I love the idea of there being multiple AND them being unique, like a few fraternal triplets. Similar, related, but only sharing 5-6 traits between them.

- I am a fan of raffle studs BUT UNIQUE, not a clone of the raffle lioness, but with their own set of unique traits and with a limited amount of time to breed them. I think each lion released should be unique to that singular lion, but having more opportunities for multiple lions is wonderful.

- I still stand by the idea of each one being unique, and only a single copy released of each, however having multiple a week of different gals is something that interests me and I believe have widespread interest. I do worry that even with the changes made, that there will still be a sense of community ownership over someone lucky enough to win a design, and that harassment may follow.

I appreciate all the hard work you all as a staff team are doing to address these concern, I know it’s just so much with the growth that’s occurred on the site over the years. Thank you for 10 years on lioden, and here’s to 10 more!



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2024-08-05 10:18:56
This would be a great idea for those who would love the traits even when the Raffle Lioness may be private! So you can still have the possibility to get some of the traits!

Can’t wait for this to be added!!



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2024-08-05 10:19:18
I feel like extinct RLs that could feasibly recreated (so, with a Rare or Uncommon base) should be left alone, as many people in the community enjoy manually recreating these lions. Lions with harder to breed bases like Specials, particularly medium specials, month specific bases like constellation, or combo bases, should be re-released when they find themselves on a banned or inactive account.

Raffle studs should be able to have Ochre Gnawrocks, Saltlicks, ect on them to pass eyes, skin, and specific markings as desired. However, I would restrict the use of Ochre Powders as they tend to mark clone the entire lion.



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