-LOCKED - Discussion: Raffle Lionesses
Posted on 2024-08-05 08:57:00
We are aware of some issues that the community has been voicing with the raffle lioness system, with some complaints including it being difficult to pass on raffle-exclusive traits, raffle lionesses going to inactive accounts, and so on. We have had our own discussion among the developers and would now like to present a discussion where the community can provide feedback on the ideas we have outlined below regarding how the system can be modified, and possibly even give their own ideas if they aren't already covered.

We will be closely monitoring this topic to record feedback, which we will then use for an upcoming site poll.


New Features Being Implemented

We have some features that will be added regardless of feedback within a future update:

New Features We May Implement


* Adjusting the raffle lioness system so that only players who have been active in the last two days (so Wednesdays onward) will have a chance to win when the raffle lioness is pulled
* Sending an email notification to the player who won the weekly raffle lioness


New Features We're Considering/Discussing

These are features we have had ideas for, or have found in the Game Development forums, and would like to see which of the following would be most preferred.

** 1. Storing raffle lioness designs and releasing them slowly through explore.
Essentially, this would mean creating multiple copies of the same raffle lioness to be slow-dripped into the game through the claiming system. They would work as chased lionesses, so only kings with Average impression or higher could find them. This would likely come with a failsafe so that if the lioness fails to be claimed, she goes back into the chased pool so another player has a chance to claim her. All raffle lionesses are made with the Nurturing (Good) personality, so raffle lionesses released through the claiming system would display the Good pose.

The first week, Raffle Lioness 1 is pulled and sent to the winner, and Raffle Lioness 2 is put up to be impressed. The second week, Raffle Lioness 2 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 3 is put up to be impressed, and a clone of Raffle Lioness 1 is put into the chased lioness pool in explore. The third week, Raffle Lioness 3 is pulled and sent to the winner, Raffle Lioness 4 is put up to be impressed, and clones of Raffle Lionesses 1 and 2 are put into the chased pool in explore. This repeats up to a maximum of 9 clones, making for 10 total lionesses with the same design.

A graph to show the overall release schedule for raffle lionesses through explore.
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** 2. Releasing an identical replica raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness.
The stud would have the exact same traits as the raffle lioness, but rather than being delivered to a winner's territory, a select amount of players (between 20-50) would win the ability to breed with him. This would work similarly to August's event studs in that items could not be used on the stud for breeding. We also considered, if implementing replica studs, to allow all players to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but lock weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 3. Implementing raffle studs in general.
An alternative to releasing an identical replica raffle stud would be releasing a raffle stud alongside a raffle lioness who may share similar traits, e.g. if a raffle lioness is releasing a brand new eye colour, the raffle stud that week would have that eye colour as well, or if she is releasing a brand new raffle marking, the raffle stud that week would have that marking as well (either in the same slot, or a different slot). Breedings to this stud would also be limited to 20-50 players weekly, and items would not be allowed. This would also come with all players being able to enter for a chance to win a stud breeding, but locking weekly raffle lionesses so that only accounts that have 365 or more total rollovers (not consecutive) would be eligible to try and impress her.


** 4. Releasing more than one raffle lioness per week.
This would either be multiple identical copies of the same raffle lioness, or up to 3 different raffle lionesses at once who would share some of the same traits, but not be identical.


** 5. Releasing recreated copies of previous raffle lionesses who are on banned/closed accounts.
This would be making a replica of the raffle lioness to raffle off through the official raffle system. The original raffle lioness would stay on the same account. This is specifically only for permanently suspended accounts, and accounts that have been closed—not inactive accounts that are not suspended/closed.


** 6. Allow the weekly raffle lioness to be impressed daily instead of once weekly for higher chances of winning, therefore rewarding more active players.
The weekly raffle lioness would still be available for a full week as usual, but daily impression attempts will add up and give a greater chance at winning her as compared to only one attempt per week (how it currently works).


** 7. Add a second raffle lioness for players who have rolled over at least 365 times in total (not consecutively), with potentially more unique traits than a standard Dreamboat raffle lioness.
Players who have rolled over 365 or more times would have the ability to impress both the standard Dreamboat raffle lioness, as well as a second raffle lioness that is only available to accounts with 365+ total rollovers.





We may mix-and-match some of the options, but we will be polling the community on these options regardless.

If you have any ideas or suggestions that were not listed above, we would appreciate your input and highly encourage you to provide a detailed response within this news post!

We will be deleting any comments that do not actually contribute to the discussion.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:34:29 by Katze (#3)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:31:16
I don’t think I like the idea of a chased pool,

So I like 2/3, 5, 6
I am okay with 7
I don’t like 1, 4

I wonder if 7 would be a different or the same RL but only vet players get the chance at her?
2/3 are basically the same
1 would need a much longer time frame. Start old again (when they started getting 10 marks!) and then move forward! Make it a huge rotation not a short one, that way the new rl’s have time to settle and the old ones have a chance to come back sooner!
4 I can’t keep track of what we have now haha

5 is amazing because we need those babies back.
6 is great because more chances and doesn’t make it an advantage or disadvantage to anyone!


A side thought, I think Crunchy worm prices are going to continue to skyrocket so they’ll need a way to keep those prices down, possibly adjusting their rate so there is more available. Gnaws and saltlicks are still high too but not an item most use with RL unless trying to “natural” clones.



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2024-08-05 10:32:23
I like option #4, but would prefer them to be different lionesses, and you can only enter for one of them that way the pool is split more evenly, you still have the rare OG RL, and there’s more variety of new RLs ^^

Plus you could combine this with the inclusion of former RLs on suspended accounts as well!



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:34:30 by Sprigatito G1 Deca (#169873)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:32:39
i don't really agree with the ideas people are posing about solutions like #1 potentially "devaluing" raffle lionesses - rlcs already exist, and considering the complaints people have about traits being hoarded, i think it's fine for copies to come a bit faster, as opposed to people hoarding traits in fear of the clones devaluing the actual lion.

you can't have it both ways - if cloning devalues the lioness herself with enough effort, but hoarding prevents the traits from ever spreading, i say it's better for her traits to spread a bit faster than to never spread at all. that's the point of the raffle system, to begin with: releasing new traits into the community. one copy certainly isn't enough, especially not with the almost bloodthirsty market surrounding the lionesses themselves. how many markings in different slots have become exceedingly rare because of the RL never being cloned, only for people to pour excessive amounts of time and gb into RMA'ing on the marks she had?

as for the other solutions, i'm uncertain about the two-day rollover restriction on claiming the raffle lioness herself. i don't know what else would solve that problem, but it feels unfair to people who simply can't roll over every day - or who might just have something come up that stops them from logging on the day before the drawing. i think an e-mail would be good, though, especially for those players who can't log on daily.

raffle studs, one way or another, could be a great solution. we already have them for august, and implementing year-round wouldn't make those ones any less special - they have their own traits to spread, and from what i understand, they're decently successful at doing so.

whatever choice the team makes, i just want to see the community at large have a better chance at obtaining traits from a system whose ultimate purpose was doing so - not hoarding traits, not closing lines, but providing everyone with the tools to add that extra little bit of flair to whatever their project might be, and maybe even having a darling lioness you can show off with pride.

EDIT: i didn't address the other solutions in this original draft, but i have mainly mixed feelings on them. (EDIT EDIT: i completely support re-releasing lionesses who have gone to closed accounts - this feels like a no-brainer.) releasing multiple raffle lionesses with similar or identical traits might help, but it's certainly not a guarantee that the problem will be solved. daily impressions rather than once-per-week could help with the problem of rls going to inactive owners, but it wouldn't solve the "hoarding problem", so to speak, if the lion goes to someone who intends to do so. similarly, the second raffle lioness for players who have 365+ total rollovers doesn't feel like it would do much to help that problem, because it's still only one copy for literal thousands of players. i think i'm most in favor of the explore copies or the raffle studs as solutions.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:57:11 by mutt 🐺❄️ (#111603)

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2024-08-05 10:32:56
while i have never won a raffle lioness myself (yet ) i feel that the RL should stay a 'ONE OF A KIND' type lion. i feel it would over saturate the market if we were to make old RL (still on active accounts) chased NCLs. while the idea sounds nice i dont think it would work out in the long run, as i feel it would just lower the value of old and new RL that well be released. i would have less of a interest in the RL if i knew i had I chance at claiming her in explore. rather i feel it would be better to release the old RL that are on deactivated/closed/banned accounts in the explore to be claimed as NCLs instead. that way the old ones that have been lost due to blocked/banned accounts can be back on the market while the new RL stay unique to that person who wins her.
And going on about the multiple ticket idea i feel that lioden has been persistent about the idea that every player gets a fair chance at winning a raffle, and personally i like that. it just wouldn't be fair to someone that can't really purchase tons of tickets compared to some other players that can purchase a lot more. but yea thats my thoughts if i have anymore ill add on in the future! adding on to this after reading through the thread a little bit and noticed something about 'hoarding markings, of the raffle lioness, and i thought that issue was solved with the RMA and total shuffle giving players a small chance at gaining these markings after the raffle lioness is released. i feel that the player that wins the RL should be able to use her anyway they want weather they sell her heats, change her eyes, base, add markings, freeze her ect. IT'S THEIR LION after all they should have a say in what they do with her. and if any player has a problem with that they have the option to mute or block the player if they wish, idk the whole hoarding markings thing gives me a icky feeling, and is silly considering they still have a chance to get them by RMA or TS once the markings are added in there.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 10:50:29 by Muda (#147085)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:33:18
I really like options 6 and 7 overall! I definitely feel like active players should get some type of reward for being consistent in the game! I think it would encourage people to play more often as well!!
I do want crunchy worms and RLCs to keep their value even a little bit ^^



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2024-08-05 10:34:00
I believe 1 is a horrible idea and would simply crash the value of both raffle lionesses and the dreamboat impression. this sort of drop is allowing too much spread of these features that were intended to be exclusive. if you did release a chased version of these raffle lionesses, they shouldn't be within 4 months of eachother and no more than 1 or 2 at a time, and exclusively for dreamboat players. or, they are NRLCS with a randomly generated amount of features that doesn't exceed more than 10 shared features of the OG RL. but overall I do not favor this idea.

same reason for one, 2 only tanks the RL value.

3 and 4, I don't mind but it has to be kept a minimum imo. for the stud idm, but for multiple rls it would, at max, be 2.

I think 5 is desperately needed, but you should extend it to if the account has been inactive for multiple years ( 3 and beyond seems complete fair )

6 isn't good imo as it doesn't give a fair chance to everyone.

7 is a good idea as it actually rewards some of the older players a bit. but in all honesty i think the team listens to the newer audience more than the older ones in general, which is why we even have some of these options being considered.



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2024-08-05 10:34:29
I feel like having one female Raffle Lionesses that's always a special based lion, and then having a male raffle stud who is similar but unique with a Rare/Uncommon base who chooses 15 lionesses from different prides to breed to who also has the same new traits as the female is a good idea, too. Both lions would be unique, but the new traits would not be kept from the community and the community would not resent and harass the winners for not spreading the new traits. Also, I feel like EVERYONE should have access to the male-stud since males tend to be less picky than females.

Anyway, this absolutely has to be a response to the constellation lioness and the fact, as of this post, none of her new traits exist out of the winner(s) pride but honestly, again, this has been a problem forever. It's nice to see staff finally trying to address it. Lioden isn't a game with just 3000 players anymore and there need to be changes to reflect that.



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2024-08-05 10:34:43
Those ideas sound great ^^ can't wait to see what happens



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2024-08-05 10:35:10
I will hopefully have the mental spoons to make a proper comment tomorrow, but-

additional thought. I understand staff don't want to unduly influence playstyles or suggest there is a 'correct' way to use your raffle lioness. I do however think giving a "RL care package" or such would be very helpful for winners. Part of the issue of traits not getting out there and RLs going extinct is that winners may not be equipped to breed a RL and maximise their windfall from her, which can lead to overwhelm, guilt, freezing the lion/taking a hiatus, and perhaps most worryingly, vulnerability to predatory players who 'offer' to supply items in exchange for x/y/z cubs (when the winner does not understand the value of such traits). A general guide on what RLs are, and why they are valuable would also likely be helpful.

A handful of crunchy worms, rock salt/opal saltlicks, nesting supplies, and food is pretty small beans in comparison to the value of a whole RL, and if the winner doesn't wish to use such items / doesn't wish to keep the RL, can be easily resold or used on other lions without too much of a market impact, imo? An extra 100-200 worms a year (assuming winners are given 2-4 worms to get started) is not much in comparison to the numbers generated each october, but could also make the care pack items account-locked, if that's a better way of managing that factor.



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2024-08-05 10:35:50
**Like**
Email notification to the winner is a very good idea.

I like #7 the most, especially because it is total rollovers.
I know it can feel unfair when brand new players win, I've been playing for years and have not won once (as is life ofc, I know a lot of users who have played even longer than I have can say the same.)

#2 and #3 seems like they could be a nice idea if implemented correctly, I like this idea especially because it could help spread rare markings. Having a limited amount of people who can stud also sounds like a good idea.

#4 I am somewhat on the fence about this one, but still think this could be a good idea.
In general I think two raffle lions a week would be better than what we currently have.

**Dislike**
Adjusting the raffle lioness system so that only players who have been active in the last two days is a terrible idea. Might as well have attempting to impress closed entirely until the last two days- which is also a terrible idea.
I'd hate to enter the weekly raffle, spending the silver beetles, just to be disqualified because I could only roll the first half of a week.

I really do not like #1, it would make the rl feel much less special and would make me lose interest in winning one, personally.

#6 feels punishing for those who are active, but cannot roll every day due to life. I have a friend who works fulltime and loves the game but plays most on the weekend. I am also incredibly forgetful and would be upset if I missed a day. I also sometimes cannot roll every single day.

#5 is not a terrible idea, but I think new designs with some of the rarer markings in the same slots may be a better idea- I do not like the idea of 100% cloning and redistributing even if the account is closed or banned (bans can be reversed sometimes). Unique lions can be created in place of the ones people feel are "lost".

These are just my personal opinions!
I know there will be people who disagree but I don't intend to argue or debate with anyone. I'm reading other people's opinions as well.



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Edited on 05/08/24 @ 13:38:28 by Leo [Clean] (#157991)

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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:37:56
For me personally, I like #5 and #7 the best.
Re-releasing RLs that are on inactive accounts is a great option! It allows players who are actually active a chance to get their hands on previous RL designs that aren't being put to use any longer.

Also rewarding active players with a second chance is something I'd like to see. I think it would also encourage players to get to that 365 ROs and be more active in general if they see more activity = more rewards (or, in this case, more *chances* for rewards).



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2024-08-05 10:38:10
https://www.lioden.com/topic.php?id=304429551280&page=21#304446535777

I like their idea of a care package! It helps people who don’t understand the importance of them get an explanation without having the player base bombarding them!



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2024-08-05 10:38:13
Great ideas! It would definitely be cool to have a raffle stud, omg



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Posted on
2024-08-05 10:38:27
Would love this idea!!!



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2024-08-05 10:39:31
I love idea 5 and six so much! Im excited to see what gets added in



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