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-LOCKED - Discussion: Raffle Lionesses | |
Posted on 2024-08-05 08:57:00
We are aware of some issues that the community has been voicing with the raffle lioness system, with some complaints including it being difficult to pass on raffle-exclusive traits, raffle lionesses going to inactive accounts, and so on. We have had our own discussion among the developers and would now like to present a discussion where the community can provide feedback on the ideas we have outlined below regarding how the system can be modified, and possibly even give their own ideas if they aren't already covered. We will be closely monitoring this topic to record feedback, which we will then use for an upcoming site poll.
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CC - G1 12 BO Mandarin + MS (#448877) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 06:39:44 |
The vast majority of BO breeders do not care about the RLs themselves. It's like winning a peice of art, as I've seen other people say. That design is "yours". What we care about is the individual traits that may never again be added. The whole point of RLs, as said in multiple places by offical sources, is to spread said traits. That's why they release new breed only bases, eyes, and marks on those lions. Without that the only source of those traits are groupies (which may not even generate with those traits as seen with many slots not existing on site still!). The lottery comparison just doesn't work here - your only source of income is not the lottery, it is just very nice to have. 5 players like this post! Like? |
CC - G1 12 BO Mandarin + MS (#448877) King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 06:56:28 |
To add further onto this, as I've realized some of you may not have been aware of it, the reason so many of us were upset about a recent RL going to a suspended account was because that she was pretty much all rare/unreleased marks. I don't know anyone in that circle who actually wanted her (so many raw chicken jokes) for the design since it wasn't to any of our tastes (again, she wasn't a bad design, just not what we liked), we wanted her to ensure those rare slots would spread. And they didn't even get a chance. I know people who asked for those slots specifically and watched them disappear. We do not care if you change the base (provided it isn't a brand new BO base released with that lion). We do not care if you change marks as long as they are already spread/has other sources for those slots. We do not care if you change skin/eyes as long as they are not released with that lion. This is why we want Raffle Studs. We do not care about the RLs. We care about the traits they are supposed to spread. You wanna turn that combo based RL with sectorial heterchromia into a green base with chaos eyes? Sure. Whatever. We already got those traits. Have fun. 7 players like this post! Like? |
Vallkyriie (#70195)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 07:24:37 |
This post caught me off guard in a good way and I'd like to put my input into this! Enjoy the read. 1. I absolutely love this idea. I think this will help with the amount of chased that can be seen by players. Although I feel like 10 clones is a lot, but it does give more people a chance to own the lioness which is the best thing. I've been a player since 2014 and I've always loved the idea of the raffle lioness. I think this will help more players get ahold of a lioness that looks super pretty. I think anything that helps the community this way is a huge plus. I think it would also be a good idea if there was a slow drip of past lionesses from 2014 into the mix to help reestablish those really old lions as well. I know there's a lot of work that goes into making them and deciding what goes on them. So I think it would be really nice if we started having those come back into the pool as well. 2. I think this is a good way to incentivize players to continue to play. Rewarding players who do play a lot to get a chance. Especially if you're an old player getting back into the game this will help with more markings in your pride. Along with new players getting a chance to get more markings as well! I like that it doesn't have to be 365 days in a row to get this reward. It's basically a you must at least play this game for a year type of thing. I'm gonna already assume that lots of new players are already at this milestone so it shouldn't be a problem. 3. This helps by not giving a lioness to dead accounts which I know has been a huge issue in the past I like that it would reward players who would play rather than someone who just doesn't have a whole lot of interest for the raffle lioness at least. I think 20-50 is a lot and that's actually so generous because I think a lot of people would enjoy getting a chance to get it. Like if they cant get the raffle lioness theres a more likely chance to get the stud. I think that's a good way to keep the community economy going. I like that there's just more chances for players to be rewarded for being long term players and in general a new idea being tossed around. 4. I think 2 a week should be a good amount like Sunday-Tuesday there's a lioness and then Wednesday - Saturday there's another one. Just so there's more of a chance for players to get one because I've personally never gotten a raffle lioness before and I've been playing on two accounts since 2015 or 2014 depends which account you check. I think this is a great way for there to be more chances to get awesome lions! 5. HUGE YES! This is such a good idea because those lionesses can't be used and were meant to be used so I think that they should be rereleased slowly and announcing it like this lioness was available during 2017! 6. Prefer what I stated before to have two a week so that theres still a chance because a lot of people are going to attempt to impress anyway. 7. I think we should try it and see what the community thinks. There's a lot of ups and downs and I can see the lioden community being upset with a lot of these, but I think more about others than myself personally. I think this is a great refreshing way to overhaul the raffle lionesses and I think it would make it feel like less of an effort or a chore. Like impressing the lioness every week as of right now feels like I will never get it. It's just a weekly task I check off to get a chance, but by allowing more chances in general through explore or even different ways of getting an exclusive lion or lioness is such a great way to give back. Honestly the lionesses are still exclusive either way. If cloning already exists I feel like this should mitigate that a little by giving people more of a chance to have the lion. Plus it reduces malicious attacks toward other players. I remember this being a big deal in past years and I dont know if it still is or not. Either way, fantastic idea and I think some of these ideas would be a great introduction. 2 players like this post! Like? |
staticfiend (#374983)
Cursed View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 07:37:55 |
mewflakes (#88492)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 09:05:50 |
I wonder why these suspended accounts that get the RL get suspended in the first place. Should a safeguard be implemented so that those with low account standing can't participate in the raffle? Maybe that would give players an incentive to be good and well behaved 5 players like this post! Like? Edited on 07/08/24 @ 09:09:50 by mewflakes (#88492) |
spice 🪔 | sugar’s side (#190212) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 09:39:37 |
i’ve come to add something else i mentioned in my earlier comment that clones will still happen regardless & that doesn’t matter because they won’t be heritageless, like they would be if they were chased rls or copies that could be won during the same week, but i never really explained why it mattered that they weren’t heritageless, right? clones come DIRECTLY from the original raffle lioness. it’s the winner’s say in when the clones come about (they’re often the ones choosing to use or allowing people to use crunchies), and even then, it’s only a 25% chance of a clone per litter, so it’s not like that one lioness is making 10 clones right out the gate. like someone said earlier, the duplication of her looks into the market is a slow trickle, MUCH slower than the chased rls would be, and doesn’t immediately depreciate the value of the rl and still keeps her as a praised & wanted commodity within the community. plus, again, even if they ARE g2, THE CLONES ARE NOT HERITAGELESS. heritageless copies being released shortly after the winner wins their special lioness COMPLETELY sours the experience because, then, what’s the point in winning if you can just sit down in explore and find her, anyway (and i’ve already made my thoughts known about THAT 🙄). what did you win, really? the first of many? the first week to cherish her before you have to rush to make the most of things before the market tanks because of the new competitors on the scene? yeah, sure, there are a lot of players sick and tired that everyone makes everything about “the market,” but isn’t the market what dictates how we play in the first place? i’m a very poor player, someone who has built her pride up largely from breeding and occasionally stalking tc for low price low gen clean lions (and don’t even get me starts on how g2 ebonies should NOT be (and WERE not) that cheap) not even someone INVOLVED in the market anymore and the potential impact of what this option, if implemented, could do to how we, as a playerbase, froth over the raffle lioness, scares me. also i didn’t mention this last time but 6 is another pay to win but less extreme and i don’t like it <3 yeah it rewards activity, yet it punishes active players with busy schedules at the same time. it excludes those players who have a life outside of lioden and only play on select few days (weekends or whatever) and tips the scales MASSIVELY against them. most of them have never won a rl before, and if this happens, their chances would be greatly reduced and i really really do not like that 8 players like this post! Like? |
Seiden (#31503)
True King View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 10:57:56 |
So you cannot get a raffle lionness if you cannot login everyday ? Okay. 0 players like this post! Like? |
fmradio G1 Angelic 2k 3x Ros (#170156) Special Snowflake View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 11:01:03 |
Coming back to this and i’m gonna be honest, the explore feature sounds amazing at first but it’s easily abused when you consider energy items and territory space to claim lionesses. Someone with 250+ territory space, a red bull and a hoard of meat pies and energy roots could easily sweep through explore as soon as a new RL or RLC is dropped into explore. Then it’s once again entirely up to one person to spread the traits until the next week where the same thing can happen as soon as a new RLC is dropped into the pool. I’ve seen some suggestions of NRLC with a few of the traits dropped in explore to build off of the idea, and I don’t think they’re all too bad 3 players like this post! Like? |
Mad Hyena (#29080)
Necromancer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 11:06:11 |
I think the raffle clones or near clones in explore would work as chased lionesses, so the exact time they're dropped in explore would be unknown; it could be anywhere from 12 to 72 hours since they're added to chased pool, like normal chased lionesses work? I dont see this as being possible to abuse; you cannot explore all day, at every moment, for 3 days straight without sleep, to catch the random moment she is dropped into explore. It will be down to luck and not grind, so space and energy items wont matter much! 1 player likes this post! Like? Edited on 07/08/24 @ 11:10:24 by Mad Hyena (#29080) |
Swarm Moss *project king* (#6647) Prince of the Savannah View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 11:07:58 |
Yup fully argee. Making rl into ncl is a pure pay to win option. And only the player with the big backs will be avle to get those since they can afford tons of energy items. While the normal raffle gives everyone the same chanse. Its a very small chanse, but a fair one. 2 players like this post! Like? |
Swarm Moss *project king* (#6647) Prince of the Savannah View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 11:09:40 |
Mad hyena. Never seen februari event ? Tons of people have no Jobs and play lioden all day. And someone with 5000% energy or more a day has a much bigger shot than someone with 200% enegry a day. Making rl into chased lions is pure pay to win 1 player likes this post! Like? Edited on 07/08/24 @ 11:10:30 by G1. 31/3/23 Damu RLC (#6647) |
fmradio G1 Angelic 2k 3x Ros (#170156) Special Snowflake View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 11:10:38 |
If that’s hypothetically the case then I agree, it would be less likely to be abused. However, if going by the chart provided, clones would be added to the pool every week after a raffle lioness has been raffled, and if the system is automatic I don’t see why they wouldn’t have it set up to the lioness being released as the winner is rolled. Seems like easier coding, but if the new idea incorporates what you mentioned, maybe. Until then; the idea can be abused as-in I think 0 players like this post! Like? |
Mad Hyena (#29080)
Necromancer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 11:12:44 |
I disagree - no amount of explore will make you find her if she's NOT there yet. As I said, normal chased lionesses work this way; if she's chased, she's put on "wait" for 12 to 72 hours, and is added to explore at RANDOM moment in this time frame of three days, chased lionesses do not appear in explore immediately! I think it would work the same here, and thus, not be possible to grind; you cannot know which moment she'd land into chased pool, you can spend your 5000% energy and have 0 chance at finding her because she's not yet there. I dont think its abusable and pay-to-win at all, you cannot predict when she'd land into explore, you can only keep playing and hope you'll meet her as you go, but you cannot speed that up with any amount of GB because the exact time she'd land in explore would be unknown. 1 player likes this post! Like? Edited on 07/08/24 @ 11:14:07 by Mad Hyena (#29080) |
Swarm Moss *project king* (#6647) Prince of the Savannah View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 11:14:21 |
Doesnt matter if its random or not. If a player can explore all day with catnip and energy boost the odds of encountering her is still much bugger than someone who only has the given energy by lioden. Simple example. I have all day to go into the forest to spot a deer that will be there, we just dont know when. Someone else works and can go to the forest only afyer dinner for a few hours..... Who odds will be bigger to spot that deer ? Right the person who is in the forest all day. Its simple as that 7 players like this post! Like? Edited on 07/08/24 @ 11:17:26 by G1. 31/3/23 Damu RLC (#6647) |
Mad Hyena (#29080)
Necromancer View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 11:18:50 |
You're overestimating how much people are willing to put into a very small random chance of encountering her. The raffle system would be a constant add to explore, nobody - not even the richest player - can keep up always spending tons of energy items on explore for a minimal extra chance of finding special lioness, we're not talking about a time-limited event here like February - it would be an "always thing". I dont think it can nor will be abused, because nobody can keep spending money for eternity. VERY different from spending extra energy for 1 month versus spending extra energy always. 1 player likes this post! Like? |