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-LOCKED - Discussion: Raffle Lionesses | |
Posted on 2024-08-05 08:57:00
We are aware of some issues that the community has been voicing with the raffle lioness system, with some complaints including it being difficult to pass on raffle-exclusive traits, raffle lionesses going to inactive accounts, and so on. We have had our own discussion among the developers and would now like to present a discussion where the community can provide feedback on the ideas we have outlined below regarding how the system can be modified, and possibly even give their own ideas if they aren't already covered. We will be closely monitoring this topic to record feedback, which we will then use for an upcoming site poll.
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Scarecrow (#477331)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 12:29:14 |
I still think the chased are a bad idea even if they're not exact clones, the thing about raffles is that it's an equal opportunity for everyone. So those who are using their energy for other things, can't afford catnip regularly, don't have space, don't have GB to auto-claim, etc. have a lesser chance of getting these chased compared to others. Timezones are important as well, even if the system is made so the lioness drops randomly, MANY users will be unable to get the chased because she was dropped when they were asleep. Users will be punished for being in different timezones, for using their energy on other projects, for not logging on every single day until the chased is found, etc. How is that a fair and equal chance? 12 players like this post! Like? |
spice 🪔 | sugar’s side (#190212) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 13:19:46 |
just in general even with trying to balance it, seems like option one is overall the most structurally unsound way of fixing rls no matter how you look at it, even if it makes things “easier” :/ making things easier takes away the fun in achieving things, because where’s the effort in doing it in the first place? it becomes obsolete 7 players like this post! Like? |
Scarecrow (#477331)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 14:08:00 |
Exactly, we need a balance between traits being accessible and not killing one of the few profitable markets left on lioden. In my opinion, 3, 4, 5, and 7 are the only ones that should be even remotely considered. An RL should be like a completed non-RMA breeding project, all the pieces are there and accessible so anyone can make her from scratch but the market will still exist because people love the designs and will buy clones over starting fresh. 6 players like this post! Like? |
Equagga|G2 Vagabond Splash (#105402) Punk View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 14:22:16 |
I think a lotta people saying clones or even near-clones will be pay to win have already forgotten the people who spent 100s of GB to finish the jag quest first only to get zilch from their boosts, or to at best break even selling them to other people. Plenty of people will throw GB at trying to hunt down whatever is in explore and find a whole lotta zarbanus with zero marks, and someone playing casually could be the person a clone spawns for. Already happens when someone chases a valuable lion and announces it- plenty of people hunt, a random person finds her if she's claimed at all. It'd also bump the value of catnip, which is an accessible item for everyone (shuffle prize) meaning it would be a good sale item for people not hunting aggressively for the clones, especially new players who don't have a whole lot to build a bankroll with. 1 player likes this post! Like? |
Swarm Moss *project king* (#6647) Prince of the Savannah View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 14:29:07 |
Equagga. The jaglion is not pay to win. You can do the full quest without spending anything. The people who wanted to finish it in a few days made the choise to pay. But its still a free to obtain boost you get no matter what. 2 players like this post! Like? |
Scarecrow (#477331)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 14:30:30 |
The jag quest is different because everyone had an equal chance for a jaglion and just because someone got a jag before you doesn't mean you were going to lose out on your own. Chased RLs are going to be extremely inaccessible to a significant majority of the userbase every time they are dropped based on time zones, energy usage, catnip availability/prices, logging in, etc. It'll be a "raffle" that only applies to users who are currently online and have the resources to get her, so not a raffle whatsoever. 10 players like this post! Like? |
Vallkyriie (#70195)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 17:00:35 |
Terrinthia [G1, semi-frozen] (#97101) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 17:14:53 |
Raffle lionesses are a bit more special than 99% of other chased NCLs, though? 1 player likes this post! Like? |
Tallow [G1 Blonde Fiss 2.4k] (#440905) Scourge of Lions View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 17:25:47 |
(I commented previously but cannot find the comment to edit!) The Raffle Lioness system has been in need of an overhaul for a while due to its extreme and unfun odds, so this news post was a delight to see! But I'm also disheartened by the pressure some users exert on the winners to play in a way which they prefer, and to demand these impending changes out of entitlement to another's good fortune. (See: "Is this about the Constellation lioness?" If it is, it shouldn't be.) It is no one's business what the winner does with their raffle lioness. If they don't want to breed her to share her genes, or they like her better with a different base (ha-- yes, I remember that, too!) other users have no say whatsoever in those decisions. It is not selfish for the player to refuse to sell her heats. It is within the terms of fair use and play. Capitulating to a vocal minority, or even a majority sometimes, whether it's to adjust the game's mechanics, aesthetics or its narrative, inevitably diminishes the quality of the game. That said however, the RL odds are unreasonable and I'm looking forward to seeing which of these implements are adopted. Concerning specifics, I wanted to add that the proposed 365-minimum bar for RL entry is too high. There is also no guarantee a veteran player will "use the RL the 'right way,'" and furthermore this is an oxymoron. There is no "right way," which is why the above perspective was important to voice. Insisting otherwise is a violation of fair use and play. All users should be able to enter the game of chance if they meet the Dreamboat requirement. 6 players like this post! Like? Edited on 07/08/24 @ 17:36:42 by Tallow [G1 Blonde Fiss 2.1k] (#440905) |
Scarecrow (#477331)
Deathlord of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 17:27:54 |
Chased lionesses are not even remotely comparable to an RL. The focus on the RL is the raffle. Why create a system where everyone has the same opportunity to get a lioness over the span of a week and then proceed to release 10 copies of her in a system that would exclude a ton of people? It voids the entire basis of a raffle lioness. Sure you can argue that maybe the chased system has a lot of flaws, but that's even a better reason to argue against chased RLs. 3 players like this post! Like? |
Saff - Kimanjano (#137237)
King of the Jungle View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 18:19:58 |
I don’t think copies of raffle lionesses old or new should be in explore. I think that will have a negative impact on those who enjoy raffle lionesses and recreating extinct raffle lionesses. However in situations where a raffle lioness with new traits is won and the player is banned, I recall that happening not long ago before they even got to roll their account. In those instances I believe that, that particular special lioness should be redrawn straight away or put up as an additional raffle lioness. With getting new marks/traits/slots out there another special lioness with those new mark/traits/slot the same but different design would be nothing but beneficial and if there is a stud in the future then I think rather then a copy of a design it should be just about a backup for the new mark/trait/slot, not full BO or even close to but just something to help improve chances with the new mark/trait/slot. Thats what I think will be a win/win. Edit: I should add also with the stud when there are no new traits, they could be used for requests in the raffle lioness attribute request thread. 10 players like this post! Like? Edited on 07/08/24 @ 20:29:02 by Saff - Kimanjano (#137237) |
Vallkyriie (#70195)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 19:19:49 |
I’m aware that they aren’t as special but if you think about it. It’s the same concept if you just boil it down 😂 that’s all I was saying 0 players like this post! Like? |
thystle (#14796)
Heavenly View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-07 19:56:21 |
I would love to see all of not most of these implemented. Please give more players a chance to get a raffle lioness! I’ve been playing this game for 11 years now and I’ve yet to get one myself. 2 players like this post! Like? |
pingle (#360886)
View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 04:16:40 |
I love the idea of the studs! I don't like the idea of having to be active 3 days before the lioness rolls, or being able to enter into the raffle everyday, as this will lower the chance significantly to people that are unable to be active due to real life situations such as work, college or just being busy in general! I have an idea to get some of the RL traits out without rereleasing clones of the RL in explore; my idea is that there's a very low chance that a claimable lioness in explore that week will have 1-3 traits/markings from the raffle lioness! (preferably in a random slot to prevent easy cloning of the raffle lioness) This will make it so that everyone has a chance to get the markings and features they want without having to clone the RL, and this can also prevent harassment to the new owners of the RL! "Why a random slot? Isn't the new slot the point of the RL?" A random slot has a chance to be in the same slot, but can also be in a completely new slot as well. This would be good for the new markings that are released via RLs. Its a gamble, and it's supposed to be that way to keep certain markings from being too common and devaluing the RL, if the winner of the RL decides to clone and sell the markings then you are still able to get them in that slot! The random marking feature just means in the case the RL owner doesnt want to sell the cubs, there's still a chance to get the new markings, or the markings in a specific slot, but at the same time not devaluing the Raffle Lioness. If they implement the stud feature then that would be another way to get them in the same slot too, so i dont think they need to be garenteed in the same slot in explore encounters, otherwise I feel they'd be too easy to obtain! 1 player likes this post! Like? Edited on 08/08/24 @ 05:36:34 by ᗪᑌᗰᗩᕼ (#360886) |
spice 🪔 | sugar’s side (#190212) View Forum Posts Posted on 2024-08-08 04:36:22 |
the issue of releasing marks in a random slot is that, more often than not, the new/endangered trait IS that one mark in that SPECIFIC slot, so it kind of does have to be there, yknow?? it’s like the difference between cimmerian brindle in slot 6 and slot 7 or 8, as someone pointed out earlier 5 players like this post! Like? |